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The incarnating higher self
Feb 1st, 2008 at 12:22pm
 
HI, Some views on the higher self/awareness



Higher Self is a term associated with multiple belief systems and is sometimes associated with the eternal, conscious, and intelligent being. The term has been popularized by those involved in new age and new religious movements (Neopaganism); however, it is used by many different groups and it can therefore have multiple meanings and interpretations. It has been linked to Aleister Crowley and the Holy Guardian Angel, as well as Theosophists.
(I  dont like these people and believe they were bad or even evil)



Summary

All individuals are one of the many incarnations that the Higher Self or the "real" you, sends to garner experiences on the third density, in this case, Earth. When an individual dies, the energy stream is withdrawn from the physical body. Without the physical constraint, an individual is allowed to spend more time exploring the third, fourth, and parts of the fifth densities in order to keep building a portfolio of life experiences. This is done until the energy stream is completely absorbed back into the Higher Self. This happens when all of the incarnations have achieved their main objectives, at which point the individual and its other incarnations are merged back with your Higher Self, the "real" you.

The physical universe (the Earth, sun, galaxy) is within the confine of the third density. The fourth density is where dreams, astral projections, or out-of-body experiences occur. The fifth density is where the Higher Selves live.


Groups of Higher Selves

Non-participating Higher Selves: these are individuals who have not ventured out of their most primitive and native territories.
Sequentially-incarnating Higher Selves: Sequential incarnation is a new incarnation that will begin when the previous one has ended and its Higher Self has determined a need for further 3rd density experience. They do so by extending an energy stream from the 5th density into physical vehicles on the 3rd density. This process is commonly known as incarnation. Currently, all alien species (in contrast to Earth inhabitants, or "Earthers") within this galaxy, including those on Earth, are incarnation streams from sequentially incarnating Higher Selves.
Simultaneously-incarnating Higher Selves: these individuals were once in sequential mode, but now have a desired to learn and experience at a faster rate and made the decision of switching to the simultaneous mode. The process resembles that of sequentially incarnating Higher Selves except that all of the energy streams are extended at the same time, thus the term simultaneously. This group consists of approximately 35% of the human population on Earth.

Others: there are other Higher Selves such as the Nature Higher Self that inhabits Earth and gains experiences through manifestations of various natural elements, animals, and plants. A planet or star is considered dead when its former inhabiting Higher Self or other types of being completes its goal and withdraws their energy. Planets like Earth which undergo serial attempts at Higher Consciousness are known as thrones. Earth itself is undergoing somewhere between its 6th to 13th attempt at a higher vibration/consciousness. See Alice Bailey's writings.

Comparison

Sequential: the initial incarnation is given no pre-incarnating knowledge, much like creating a blank portfolio. While an incarnation is having its ups and downs in the 3rd density, learning in the process, valuable experiences are gained and "uploaded" into the Higher Self via the energy stream. This is similar to adding voluminous collections of textual descriptions, images, feelings, etc. of the experiences into the said portfolio. When sequential Higher Selves decide that more incarnations are necessary, they provide the next incarnation with the existing portfolio up to this point as the base knowledge to start anew. Therefore, sequentially incarnating Higher Selves start with one empty portfolio, pack more and more knowledge into it with each incarnation, and pass the hard-earned portfolio to the next incarnation. They may decide to switch to the simultaneous state if so desired.

Simultaneous: the Higher Selves decide that they probably require a specific number, say N (hundreds or thousands), of incarnations to gain the experiences they desire. As a result, again using the portfolio analogy, they open up N blank portfolios at the same time, and each of the N incarnations is responsible for one of these portfolios. Having N incarnations at the same time has the advantage of learning N different things, enjoying N different lives, etc. However, the challenge is that these incarnations have to work out the contents of the portfolio by themselves alone because there will be no previously created portfolios available, as in the case of sequential incarnation. Because there are N "uplinks," simultaneously incarnating Higher Selves are constantly receiving an incredible amount of information from their incarnations. As a side benefit of uploading, real-time information sharing is possible among the incarnations: the essential, related, funny, or otherwise useful contents of one portfolio, as determined by the Higher Self, may be filtered to the portfolio of other incarnation(s) via the energy streams of the Higher Self.


Huna
According to Max Freedom Long, the Huna of Hawaii teach that the higher self is a trans-personal super conscious that connects with the Universal life force energy and is located above the crown chakra.

Some Western models teach an approach to the higher self via raising consciousness through the conscious mind of the individual, using meditation and methods like these. In contrast, the huna recommend first connecting to the lower self or subconscious mind which communicates to the higher self. In these teachings, the lower self possesses ESP, telepathy and clairvoyant abilities for example. In this capacity, it accepts reinforced messages from the conscious which it transmits to the higher self, and gives the conscious mind messages it receives from the higher self in symbolic form via dreams or intuition.

At some point, the selves shift when the conscious fuses with the higher self, the subconscious self moves into the place of the conscious and a new subconscious takes its place in the capacity of the former lower self. This is likened to a process of transformation or ascension.

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Reply #1 - Feb 1st, 2008 at 2:10pm
 
Alan:

I've read very little of Theosophy, and Aleister Crowley seems to have a really creepy life history; however, I can't argue against the higher self viewpoint. Whether Theosophy correctly describes how higher selves operate, is another story.

I've had experiences and received spirit messages which showed that the higher self viewpoint is true.  What Bruce Moen found with the disk and what Robert Monroe found with the I-there is basically the same thing.  There are people on this forum, some of whom don't contribute often,  who have also had experiences with their higher self.

It seems that most NDE experiencers don't make contact with their higher self in a manner which lets them know about their higher self.  There are some exceptions.  For example Mellen-Thomas Benedict:

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/reincarnation04.html

Also consider Linda Stewart:

http://www.near-death.com/stewart.html

And consider what Ron Kruger found during his NDE:

"What I’ll call the “Heavenly Plains” was full of loving peace. An infinite expanse of glorious light enveloped and permeated everything. This light was evenly distributed and seemed to undulate gently with a force field.

           Directly in front of me, but slightly below, stood a group of spirits: less than 100, but more than 50. Each spirit had an identity of sorts, but they were part of each other–a single entity, a single awareness, all part of a single force. In the center of the front row were three oriental women. I realized that all of the spirits comprising the entity were my past lives, and that the oriental women were my most recent lives.

           Their faces were clearly humanoid, but from their shoulders down, their forms blurred gradually. Their arms and legs dissolved near their ends. Hovering on the same level, in rows, they seemed loosely joined at the shoulders. Their identities were of both sexes and all nationalities. None were deceased relatives, and I recognized none of them from my recent life.

           Each of the spirits had lived once, but the truth and experience and wisdom of each lifetime was integral to the entire group. When each soul returned, their lives were absorbed by all, so there where no distinctions between thoughts and attitudes within the group. Each of them shared completely every experience and every knowledge of every lifetime into a single conscience. Like spices and other ingredients added to a Mulligan Stew, each added to the mix, but the resulting flavor was one. I was them, and they were me. There were all of my past, and they were my present."

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ron+k%27s+NDE&btnG=Search

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Reply #2 - Feb 1st, 2008 at 2:34pm
 
Hi Guys-
The Kruger experience parallels one of mine that I obtained (in my 20s - not as an older and wiser individual) by simply holding my breath until I passed out -  but it only lasted a few seconds while my internal mechanisms rest and brought me back again. I still can locate the levels of perception and the faces that look back at me by pausing my everyday life.

The general teachings of Ramana Maharshi aim at recognition of one's "True Self", as do those of many other Hindu teachers. Personally, I always thought of it as the God-end of the line connecting me to God. Us people get the "other end of the stick". This would also explain the experiences of yoga, in which we are progressively more aware of God as we deepen meditation, until everything vanishes into the oneness.

I recall a story about Crowly. It seems that he and some friends had organized to perform a long incantation intended to bring forth, among other things, the odor of roses.  They went through the ritual, and finally, at the penultimate point they were rewarded with a horrific crash. The water closet from the floor above, together with its sewage piping, had fallen through the floor. The oder was profound, but not of roses.

Knda makes one want to avoid that kind of magic. Wink

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Reply #3 - Feb 1st, 2008 at 3:03pm
 
Dave:

I used to really be into Ramana Maharshi. I read his books like crazy, used to stare at his photo. Not once, did he speak of a higher self in a disk/I-there/oversoul manner.

When I make contact with my higher self, I never get the feeling that it expects me to engage in something such as guru bakti, such as Ramana's disciples did.

One time my higher self sent me an image of Ramana Maharshi. I shared it with you before.
Ramana sat at one end of a table while wearing a business suit (rather than his loin cloth), and a woman sat at the other side. The point of this image was that Ramana wasn't balanced, because with his emphasis on pure consciousness and ajata vada (no creation) talk, he denied the creative aspect of being. He pretty much echoed what Vedantic gurus before him said, just as people of other religions echo the generational teachings of their religion.

The creative aspect of being is just as much a part of divine reality as pure consciousness is. It is because source being has made use of the creative aspect of being in a meaningful way, that souls, disks and such could be created, so in the end numerous beings as opposed to just one being all by itself, get to share a magnificient state of love and oneness with each other.

Have we been making some mistakes along the way? Sure. I guess this is bound to happen if self determination is going to be allowed.

Self inquiry as Ramana advocates worked for a while, but it wasn't until I made contact with my higher self in a manner where I can communicate with it, that I started to receive the spirit help I need.  There are ways of being helped that a person won't become involved with, if they aren't willing to admit that there are divine guiding powers they can make contact with.

I know Ramana spoke of the inner guru, but none of the numerous people I know who speak of such a thing, ever received assistance in a manner that is anything like the assistance one can receive when one makes contact with one's higher self or another divine being, who interacts as a being in its own right.



dave_a_mbs wrote on Feb 1st, 2008 at 2:34pm:
Hi Guys-
The Kruger experience parallels one of mine that I obtained (in my 20s - not as an older and wiser individual) by simply holding my breath until I passed out -  but it only lasted a few seconds while my internal mechanisms rest and brought me back again. I still can locate the levels of perception and the faces that look back at me by pausing my everyday life.

The general teachings of Ramana Maharshi aim at recognition of one's "True Self", as do those of many other Hindu teachers. Personally, I always thought of it as the God-end of the line connecting me to God. Us people get the "other end of the stick". This would also explain the experiences of yoga, in which we are progressively more aware of God as we deepen meditation, until everything vanishes into the oneness.

I recall a story about Crowly. It seems that he and some friends had organized to perform a long incantation intended to bring forth, among other things, the odor of roses.  They went through the ritual, and finally, at the penultimate point they were rewarded with a horrific crash. The water closet from the floor above, together with its sewage piping, had fallen through the floor. The oder was profound, but not of roses.

Knda makes one want to avoid that kind of magic. Wink

dave


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Reply #4 - Feb 1st, 2008 at 3:45pm
 
(I  dont like these people and believe they were bad or even evil)[/highlight]

Regarding the above comment, again, I don't know about the Theosophy people, but I "don't" get the feeling that people such as Robert Monroe and Bruce Moen are evil, nor some of the people who have visited this forum on occasion and have made contact with their higher self in a disk sense.

Isn't it at all possible that it is through our higher selves that we make contact with God?

I would also like to add that I don't beleive it is accurate to say that each self/probe that returns to a disk/higher self is eaten by its higher self. I'm not 100% certain, but at this point I believe that when a self/probe returns to its disk/higher self, it becomes a participating member of its disk, and eventually obtains the knowledge of its disk and other disk members.  In the end you get many beings who exist at higher self level, rather than just one being.

Or in other words, a higher self/disc being extends parts of itself, until such parts become beings in their own right.  Similar to how God has extended his own being in various ways. Of course, nothing ever becomes completely seperated. Extend might not be the best term, because everything happens within. I'm just speaking in 3D terms.


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Reply #5 - Feb 1st, 2008 at 4:36pm
 
Recoverer come on PLeeeaaase, i was not equating Bruce or Monroe with these people.


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Regarding the above comment, again, I don't know about the Theosophy people, but I "don't" get the feeling that people such as Robert Monroe and Bruce Moen are evil, nor some of the people who have visited this forum on occasion and have made contact with their higher self in a disk sense

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Reply #6 - Feb 1st, 2008 at 4:45pm
 
Alan:

I wasn't suggesting you were.  In the past you've spoken kindly of Bruce.

Considering that you don't speak of them in such a way, you have some examples of people who speak of higher selves without being evil in some way.


Alan McDougall wrote on Feb 1st, 2008 at 4:36pm:
Recoverer come on PLeeeaaase, i was not equating Bruce or Monroe with these people.


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Regarding the above comment, again, I don't know about the Theosophy people, but I "don't" get the feeling that people such as Robert Monroe and Bruce Moen are evil, nor some of the people who have visited this forum on occasion and have made contact with their higher self in a disk sense

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