Spot on D! I wasn't so much suggesting I didn't get at least a rough drift on what you were saying, more that I was trying to figure out some implications for our view of reality.

I guess I should have known that a 'charge' is basically an electron - so treatment of them as 'things' is not just for mathematical convenience. Even if the thing as you say (I wasn't suggesting it either) has no physical existence, is just a 'dynamic resonance'.

An interesting consequence is that the 'potential state space' you talk of sounds almost like the imagination of God - which (if you accept that 'mind creates') inherently includes some sort of inadvertent/inherent creative capability/intention too.

As before if you buy this sort of view our perception of a permanent and self existing self as before is quickly questionable in this 'non-reality made only by interacting 'dynamic relations'.

It suggests that this naturally arising view of how things are is actually the result of a sort of cosmic catch 22 -  we naturally (or at least are conditioned to naturally) perceive at the level of consciousness where these dynamic phenomena appear quite real, presumably because our naturally arising means of perception fuctions at that level. But that this as you know is only one of a potentially infinite number of levels or filters through which very different 'realities' can be perceived. So our view is necessarily highly partial.

It's only when by means of the expanded awareness we can activate with spiritual 'progress' or opening beyond the ego determined view that we can start to experience the fact that it  may not be the only 'take' on things.

We can of course by logical intellectual work ( as in the case of most of this stuff) too work our way to a logical theoretical position that predicts what we eventually will or may already have experienced. (or vice versa)

I'll not even attempt to go into the question of alternative dreams or realities, other than to say that for me things quickly complicate to the point where I think at least you have to throw in the towel,  and be awed by the wonder of God/primordial mind and retreat back to your everyday knitting.

The part I really struggle with is the God/first cause question. There's presumably some underlying energetic 'stuff' that God/mind kinks into the dynamic relations that create the appearance of this reality. Lynne McTaggart's book 'The Field' and the 'What the Bleep' film come to mind. But where did it come from?

It's clear as you say too that God or primordial mind seems distributed through this existence and so the tail wags the dog as well as vice versa (or is one), but I can't help feeling that we are maybe not intellectually equipped (our intellect is based on the logical/conceptual/time space reality) to get at this next level.

Buddhism talks of some of the various attributes of this state based on our limited view, but it doesn't get one very far. Perhaps becuause it may not have much relevance to wha we're supposed tobe focused on. Or else its  measure of jus how deeply immersed in this crazy reality, and how far removed that is from God.

I suppose it'd ll be a bit too much and would probably negate the existence of this reality but there's times I think it'd have been nice to have been born with God consciousness,  or at least a Ramana Maharishi ease of access to it....