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Jan 28th, 2008 at 5:50pm
 
Hi i know someone who is coldhearted ,dosent care about anyone only himself and is deliberatley cruel emotinally and physically yet waers the cross around his neck  and kisses it and when he goes by a church he does the sign of the crosss that really annoys me because he goes agauinsy everything that god stands for love deanna
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Reply #1 - Jan 28th, 2008 at 6:07pm
 
Hi Deanna There are many who wear the symbol of the cross throughout the world,some wear it because they feel love for others and for God and Jesus and the holy spirit bt there are many wolves out there in sheep's clothing and this includes priests as well,just because they wear the cloth,does not always mean they are good on the inside,it takes all sorts to make a world and as you know our grandmother used to say ,if everyone was the same,what a boring world it would be.

I wish that there was nothing but love on this planet but this will never be so you just have to wait like the rest of us to die and go to the better world of our loving God,which is the spirit world(Heaven).

Love and God bless   love juditha
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Reply #2 - Jan 28th, 2008 at 6:10pm
 
Deanna - that too is something I am researching lately. The biblical "cross" and what it stands for in reference. Have you done research on the very first cross`s and what there true meanings were?
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Reply #3 - Jan 28th, 2008 at 6:21pm
 
Hi nanner i havent done any reasearch on the biblical cross but i would be very interested to know what you find out in your reasearch ,i,m just fed up nanna why nasty people think themselves worthy to wear the cross i love jesus and god so much ,your a lovely person nanna love deanna
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Reply #4 - Jan 28th, 2008 at 6:29pm
 
Deanna, thank you for your kind words, however ask yourself "would you love me unconditionally"?
Heres some help on the searching for the crosses. As you will see, there are many meanings for "having a cross" - just like Juditha had mentioned in a different way. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross
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Reply #5 - Jan 28th, 2008 at 6:41pm
 
Hi nanner i would love unconditionally i do understand what you mean ,thankyou so much for the link on the cross god bless nanner lots of love deanna
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Reply #6 - Jan 28th, 2008 at 6:42pm
 
Pre-Christian cross symbols
(from online resource).

The cross-shaped sign, represented in its simplest form by a crossing of two lines at right angles, greatly antedates, in both East and West, the introduction of Christianity. It goes back to a very remote period of human civilization. It is supposed to have been used not just for its ornamental value, but also with religious significance.

Some have sought to attach to the widespread use of this sign, in particular in its swastika form, a real ethnographic importance. It may have represented the apparatus used in kindling fire, and thus as the symbol of sacred fire (Burnouf, La science des religions) or as a symbol of the sun, denoting its daily rotation. It has also been interpreted as the mystic representation of lightning or of the god of the tempest, and even the emblem of the Aryan pantheon and the primitive Aryan civilization.

Another symbol that has been connected with the cross is the ansated cross (ankh or crux ansata) of the ancient Egyptians, which often appears as a symbolic sign in the hands of the goddess Sekhet, and appears as a hieroglyphic sign of life or of the living.

In later times the Egyptian Christians (Copts), attracted by its form, and perhaps by its symbolism, adopted it as the emblem of the cross (Gayet, "Les monuments coptes du Musée de Boulaq" in "Mémoires de le mission française du Caire", VIII, fasc. III, 1889, p. 18, pl. XXXI–XXXII & LXX–LXXI).

In the Bronze Age we meet in different parts of Europe a more accurate representation of the cross, as conceived in Christian art today, and in this shape it was soon widely diffused. This more precise characterization coincides with a corresponding general change in customs and beliefs. The cross is now met with, in various forms, on many objects: fibulas, cinctures, earthenware fragments, and on the bottom of drinking vessels. De Mortillet is of opinion that such use of the sign was not merely ornamental, but rather a symbol of consecration, especially in the case of objects pertaining to burial. In the proto-Etruscan cemetery of Golasecca every tomb has a vase with a cross engraved on it. True crosses of more or less artistic design have been found in Tiryns, at Mycenæ, in Crete, and on a fibula from Vulci.

Of these forms, certain writers, accept for the gibbet on which Jesus died only the form indicated by the original and primary meaning of the Greek term stauros (σταυρός), which, along with "xylon" (ξύλον), is used of it in the New Testament.

(Lets not forget that these were the original scriptures and not that which we are accustomed to reading today - our KJV Bible and other writing are "translations" not the original scripts and I know thats hard to always remember, but yet it is fact

The word "σταυρός" originates from the same root as the verb στημι and means primarily but not solely an upright stake or beam. The Greek-English Lexicon of Liddell and Scott, the major such reference work on the Greek language from Homeric to early Christian times reports that the meaning of the word in the early Homeric form of Greek, possibly of the 8th to 6th century B.C., and also in the writings of the 5th-century B.C. writers Herodotus and Thucydides and the early-4th century B.C. Xenophon, is that of a stake; but that in the writings of the first-century B.C. Diodorus Siculus and in later writers, such as Plutarch and Lucian, it refers also to a cross.

The word "ξύλον"was used of wooden objects as varied as firewood, a cudgel, a wooden collar or stocks for a prisoner, a gallows, a stake, a table, a wooden spoon, and a live tree.

Much the same can be said of the Latin word crux, which was used by writers from the second century onward to refer to that on which Jesus died.
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Reply #7 - Jan 28th, 2008 at 6:42pm
 
It's not nice Deanna, but it's not that unusual to find people living from behind a mask of being holy (or whatever) and as a result being strong on religious observance. (pious is the word that comes to mind)

But at the same time not truly living the teachings of whatever tradition because they still have a lot of ego (selfishness) in play and haven't absorbed them at the heart level. (or 'become them' so to speak)

That's a split personality in a sense. Not everybody sees it in action, but you guys like many here are very sensitive and I know from what you post have a well tuned bullsh1t detector. They may themselves very genuinely not be aware of it, and it probably is not making them happy either although their are maybe a very few who go on like that quite knowingly.

Chogyam Trungpa (a favourite Tibetan Buddhist teacher of mine) used the term 'Spiritual Materialism' for this sort of thing in his book 'Cutting Through Spiritual Materialism'. Many involved in all traditions act out a mind made facsimilie of what they for ego reasons think is required of them rather than acting naturally and in accordance with their true feelings. Many don't even know what they really feel.

Perhaps the important thing for you is not to be bound by whatever conditioning you may have as regards how you should respond. Many can't in this situation help being taken in by the appearance, and as a result acting out the role expected of them.

Maybe using your sensitivity (intuition) and intelligence you can find a way to back off enough that you don't get sucked into games or damaged by this person, while at the same time not being unpleasant  towards him or her?

Perhaps you might even with time find a delicate way of helping them to see the situation for themselves, although this would need enormous care and skill as many of these people react very badly to any direct suggestion and go deeper into their holes. (as we all do if faced with a revelation about ourselves we can't face)....
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Reply #8 - Jan 28th, 2008 at 6:56pm
 
Thanks nanner for that information very well appreciated ,thanks vajra you are right what you say thanks so much for the advice it was really helpful love deanna
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Reply #9 - Jan 28th, 2008 at 7:01pm
 
I'm with Vajra - turn your BS Detector to Highest Setting.

It's the natural perversity of life that often those who are the most destructive are those who are going to blame their actions on God, religion or the like. And although you might prefer to walk on broken glass than to be near them, these are the souls in greatest need of love and acceptance. In general they are either motivated by fear, by confusion, or by loneliness, or by all three.

Sometimes I wonder why God doesn't puke them out of existence - and then I remember that I started out in precisely the same way, and am made of the same cosmic kaka. So my obigation to them is to love and support and to do whatever I can to ease their pain. - That brings up images of the Bodhisattvic Vow - to serve so long as time and space remain - those monks must have been pretty bold dudes to be willing to agree to that.

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Reply #10 - Jan 28th, 2008 at 7:12pm
 
Hi dave yes you are right they are in need of more understanding and love thanks love deanna
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Reply #11 - Jan 28th, 2008 at 9:09pm
 
Of course, that charming little dog that bit you last week might also be in need of love and understanding. But that's a very poor reason to stick your hand back in its mouth.

Keep the BS Filter turned ON. Roll Eyes

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Reply #12 - Jan 29th, 2008 at 7:02am
 
Hi dave One of my darling little dogs bit me in the side of my face but i still love him,he did it because he hates the postman and as the letters came through the door i picked barney up to stop him trying to bite the postmans hand and as i picked barney up,benny my other little dog bit barney in his rear end and barney retaliated and bit me in the side of the face but i forgave him straightaway as i love my little dogs so much.

I shut barney in the living room now when the postman is due,i dont leave it to chance anymore.

God please surround the animal kingdom with your protection of love and light and whatever animal is suffering please send them your love and healing.amen

Love and God bless   love juditha
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Reply #13 - Jan 29th, 2008 at 8:49am
 
Wink Sounds like you got it girls.

Just don't be taken in by appearances and Amen on the animals - some of my best friends are cats...
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