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Reply #15 - Jan 23rd, 2008 at 12:53am
 
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Well, no,  popcorn is an exploded vegetable. I think Nanner would have been more receptive if perhaps there had been mention of Baked Alaska.  Wink

Then again there's that whole issue about "watching". I can't figure if it's vigilance or something salacious. I love a mystery.

Now, your comments in the rest of the post brought up something interesting.

Is it possible that spiritual self-development is actually automatic? When we consider that the human being has gone through a tremendous evolutionary panoply would it not seem that said development would almost be "hardwired" into the proceedings?

I am reminded of those teachings where the "doer" is mentioned. The doer seems almost sovereign to the human "host". This of course leads to problematic considerations where the host may be of no more importance than a diver's suit. Maybe things like identity, ego, will and the like are basically the suit thinking itself as doer.  Certainly makes for something to fathom as a strange mix of osmosis and mimicry.

Yes, the beloved desert, a wondeful place for transcendent experiences.


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Reply #16 - Jan 23rd, 2008 at 4:47pm
 
Hi Desert,

I have to say I have been very moved by both of your posts.  I can completely relate to your post about "R"...mine had a little different ending, but it was the most pure loving relationship I had ever been in and it is one relationship that has had the greatest impact and has shaped my life.  I consider myself very lucky to have experienced a love like that, even if it was only for a short amount of time.  I know some people can go a life time without experiencing that kind of love.  I take that relationship as a gift and I learned even more of the meaning of love through experiencing his death.  It's quite amazing and there are no words to even describe it.

I can also relate to this post and your questions and thoughts.  I myself had quite a few while reading through this.  One was i don't think it matters the amount of friends we have in this life.  I remember sitting at my bf's wake and watching the amount of people who showed.  And at first I was actually quite pissed at them all.  Thinking to myself, where were all you people when he needed you?  I remembered conversations with him of how he felt so alone and how he felt he didn't belong to this world...and here i was at his wake and funeral and 100's of people showed up.  When my ego stopped being so pissed, I started seeing things differently.  I realized and felt sad in a way that he didn't realize the effect that he had on people.  He touched people on a very deep level and I know he knew that with me, but I know he didn't realize how he changed so many lives in this world.  I do believe that that is part of the 'mystery' of this life.  You never know what you may have said or done that changed the life of another soul here on this earth.  Kind of like these posts you have written from your heart...I don't know you at all, but you have made an imprint on my life.

The other thought that came to me while I was reading and now i'm not sure what you said...lol and for some reason i can get back to your original post, but anyway I thought of children.  Sometimes when I'm asking myself so many questions about life and what happens in the afterlife, I remind myself of the innocence of looking at life through a child's eyes.  They don't question, they just know.  If you listen to them, they have a lot of answers and I personally believe they are very close to the afterlife.  Somehow this world took that faith and knowing slowly away and it's like one day we wake up or begin remembering and begin questioning all that we once knew all over again.   

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Reply #17 - Jan 23rd, 2008 at 5:20pm
 
well put Lea. some come for short periods, others for longer, some you wish they'd leave, some you were sorry you forgot to say I love you. then the chance is gone.

it really did make an impact on us your posts did Desert. so glad you put it here. love, alysia

ps: maybe thats all we have, is to be able to touch each other in passing now and then.
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Reply #18 - Jan 24th, 2008 at 1:03am
 
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Thank you for the kind words. Let me assure you and others that when I express something in writing I'm not really thinking about making an impression, I'm simply relaying the atmosphere as I breathe it. Don't get me wrong, that I somehow made an impression on you certainly feels like a very unexpected honor cast my way. Beyond that I really don't know what more to say when someone says so openly and sincerely that I made an imprint on their life. Yet, something tells me that maybe with those sentiments they cross over into a territory where, as you have noted, language just isn't enough.

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With regard to friends, that's a whole thing in itself, isn't it? There have been times when I've pondered what a friend is. I mean, there are people out there whom I can say are friendly toward me and there are people, like co-workers for example, whom I've known for some time that if for some reason they asked me outright if we were friends then common courtesy would demand that I say yes. Though if I'm in the mood where the little baby devil on my shoulder is in a frisky mood I may reply with: "No, as a matter of fact I find you quite inimical and wish you would disintegrate before me immediately!" Yet even with such vitriol directed at them they laugh and for some strange reason like me even more. Humans are weird. Smiley

Yes, when I look back on my situation with R I can see it as a gift, albeit a complicated gift especially at that time; perhaps the same applies to your experience. I've heard it said that we sometimes get involved with people who express something of ourselves that we do not express. Needless to say, it was unnerving to think that an undisclosed part of me was like the disclosed part of R. There's loads to think about there.

Children. I guess all of us in terms of the cosmos are in some type of infancy.

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Reply #19 - Jan 28th, 2008 at 12:28pm
 
I've been thinking about relationships since Desert started the topic, might be a good thing as I believe relationships are ongoing on the other side; can't just walk away from them just by dying! haha! was laffing because sometimes it feels so good to huff away..then another face may appear, same person, different body.

I remember my last relationship and I think of yours with R. she was playful that time with the flowers, with the mountain trip. I think she was being her real self for you, at that time because she felt safe enough with you, at least for that moment, and in her way, she was teaching you about yourself. that would be PUL expressing for both of you, the pureness of the moment. makes life worth living, produces a memory unforgettable.

the stuff poetry is made of.  I remember doing this with a fellow, because he was dang serious. He also had cancer, so good reason to be serious I suppose. I thought if I could get him in a playful mood, maybe it would be better than be depressed all the time and he might get healed, anything is possible in my mind. we were walking in a park and we came to a hill, I was late 40's he was 55 I think. old codgers I suppose to some.
when you're in love, you feel like 18 again. So I suggested we roll down the grassy hill like kids; wanting to free us of the heavy thoughts of the day.
he was slow to think about it, wondering what I was pulling on him now, but we both ended up rolling down the hill and burned into our memories one moment of freedom, in love.

thats what your story of R brought up for me. one of those special moments in love, and I remember I actually got him to smile there for a moment!

as far as what friends are, there was another special moment concerning that which made me fall in love with at the front, even though we would part the ways, like ships in the night, not all relationships were made to be lasting affairs.
I had been the one to pick this guy up, as spirit had told me, go out and relate to people, have some relationships, time to get out of your house now. this was after I read about how important relationships, even after death they continue.

I was over at his house early on and we had a moment. Just for a moment he let his guard down and became real. he was asking me what my intentions were for being in his life. he was so vulnerable at that moment. he turned into a child. he was beautiful. he wasn't acting like John Wayne for a moment. this guy used put on movie star personas all the time. he never seemed real to me until this moment, he asked me my intentions.

I explained I was just there to be his friend. that's all. no biggee, no projections about anything, we would just walk aways together, however long that took. like a companion is what I meant.

his face brightened up and he began to be enthused. he was himself for a moment, not putting on an act for me. he started showing me something he was interested in, that he had learned, just pleased somebody was with him.
sometimes I concluded we need to let the child out and let ourselves not be so adult like. these are very special moments.

love, alysia
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