I just finished reading book 4.  I am very impressed and see no reason to doubt much of anything reported.

It happens that the subject for this week's Christian Science Bible Lesson is Life.  Here are some citations from the Christian Science Textbook on Life:

Life is deathless. Life is the origin and ultimate of man, never attainable through death, but gained by walking in the pathway of Truth both before and after that which is called death.  487-3

One moment of divine consciousness, or the spiritual understanding of Life and Love, is a foretaste of eternity. This exalted view, obtained and retained when the Science of being is understood, would bridge over with life discerned spiritually the interval of death, and man would be in the full consciousness of his immortality and eternal harmony, where sin, sickness, and death are unknown. Time is a mortal thought, the divisor of which is the solar year.   598-23

Perfect and infinite Mind enthroned is heaven. The evil beliefs which originate in mortals are hell.   266-25

Man is the idea of Spirit; he reflects the beatific presence, illuming the universe with light. Man is deathless, spiritual. He is above sin or frailty. He does not cross the barriers of time into the vast forever of Life, but he coexists with God and the universe.   266-27

As I thought about this after finishing book 4, it occurred to me that the knowledge and ability to bring about Spiritual Healing through silent prayer as Christian Scientists do is something that could be easily adopted by those here.  

The example of the other group intelligence that Moen reported which did not know PUL and were blown away by it, but then adopted it and were later found passing it along to others seems analogous.

I would invite everyone to take a look at Christian Science and talk to those who have been healed by it.  The elevation of thought that accompanies most healings is truly a taste of level 27 and PUL.  The discordant situation that existed is changed instantly into perfect normalcy in many instances, and this new status is easily verified by standard medical technology.  

This happens because all discordant conditions are only mortal beliefs projected on the belief of a physical body.  You don't have to understand the belief in order to be free of it, and an experienced Practitioner can remove it by knowing and understanding the Truth of Being.

As the textbook states on page 14:  Become conscious for a single moment that Life and intelligence are purely spiritual,--neither in nor of matter,--and the body will then utter no complaints. If suffering from a belief in sickness, you will find yourself suddenly well.

It is easy to test Christian Science.  If you have a problem, get a copy of the monthly Christian Science Journal from any Reading Room and select a Practitioner from the list in the back.  Discuss your situation with the Practitioner and let the Practitioner's silent prayer help you decide on a course of action and work to heal the situation.  See what happens.

You have nothing to lose but your problems.

its exciting to me to compare thought systems and religions the one to the other. I'm glad you took the time to post this Rei as it heartens me to learn of other groups, not just us here, are working in the healing areas. I look for the commonalities as you do rather than the noncommonalities, and Dave, that is mental, as opposed to purely psychic "knowing."
so I'm with Dave too. sometimes I think I'm TOO mental, but mix the mental with passion and I think Dave has passion to know also, and I'm not just talking about Dave or me, or Rei, I'm thinking all the time global concepts. so let's not put psychic on a pedestal please.

We do have to work the mental. hard. Rei is talking the same thing about how we project unto the body our various error beliefs about who and what we are; we are spiritual beings, not physical beings, but we utilize our body as a mirror of our minds.
feel sick? u just had a sick thought. u can change your thoughts.
a sick thought is just a thought that is not true about yourself.

I'm glad these Science of Mind people are actually putting their foot where their mouth is! to be offering a silent prayer is to be knowing the truth of the individual where perhaps they have forgotten the truth.
I am usually too independent to ask anyone for help, yet I have found at times I was unable to heal myself of something. I called upon friends, or even had to go have a tooth pulled, all the while a nonphysical dentist was yelling at me, to get me to ask for help.
sort of funny actually, my independence might be false pride!
but I'm still alive in body, so that must be a good thing..despite its hard to ask someone for help.
I say it's ok to ask for help with a condition. It can change in a moment. the healing can be instant, it can take a few days sometimes but you know you are healing.

If we look to the bible it says "where two or more of you are gathered in my name, I am there."
it didn't say go sit on an island and I'll be there shortly.     so I would go to a science of mind practitoner in a new york minute if there was something I couldn't handle on my own through my own silent prayer/affirmation/faith.
theres something about active PUL displaying itself between the relationship of healer/healee, and theres just not enough PUL in this world to make the shift in consciousness a thing the media will talk about.

(no news is good news)  but I feel we are getting there slowly but surely so excuse me my ramblings but I got nothing better to do than watch the skies and yak and once in a while, even here, I view the healings taking place and even get to participate.

love, alysia

Funny this thread came up.
Last night when Mrs Dood came home she was on 'her' computer.
We both have 'our' computers and we sit pretty much back to back.

She goes through her things she likes to read and unwind from work then she will go into her school work. (She is getting her Masters in Nursing)

She had this video on and it was interesting.
We both said: "What is he saying?  Nothing actually..."

Watch and you be the judge: http://defamer.com/344987/the-tom-cruise-indoctrination-video-scientologists-don...

I keep thinking of Cartman from South Park (Fantastic show by the way) saying: " I am the Authority..." haha!

EDIT: By the way, I really do not care if Tom Cruise or anyone wants to join/believe whatever they want.  That is their life...not mine.  Just do not push your dogma on me...

I think it would be good here to talk about healings people have had which are outside of the norm, and I also have this religious streak running through my nature which made me well suited to any thought system which might include the correct interpretation of the bible; such correct interpretation would have to resonate in my being. Upon my body, like bells going off, or a simple gut feeling.
The gut feeling is located in the body. It's called the solar plexus, and is known where personal self empowerment thoughts lodge.

In other words feelings, emotions reside there about whether some information you are receiving is true for your use or not. I call it a thud feeling when some info comes in which is going to take me some time to adjust to. Like a shock it might seem. so shocks take awhile to come to terms with.

Also, the positive nature to the gut feelings is that u can also pick up PUL in the gut. PUL energy will extend up to the crown chakra also, and PUL is also related to getting correct info, as it expands itself into the aura field. we all have an aura surrounding the body. It is the energy of your thoughts and is more in movement than the cellular mass.

getting off track  I would like to invite others to tell of any healings they got which seemed like a miracle to them.

Heres one I'll start.   couple of years ago I was just finishing up my book in Roswell where I'd holed up for 3 years, my only occupation there was to get that thing written and I was at it day and night as a cleansing process actually.
well some of my vertabrae got out of whack from the long hours of sitting at the puter.
when I wasn't writing the book Id take a break by coming here, or another forum I socialized on. A forum member here I met by the name of Ric.
He started telling me he could hear his guide talk to him. He told me the whole story. Pretty soon I asked him to join the other forum too, as it's not often you meet someone can actually "hear" their guides talk to them.

I have met a few though, and I am one who hears guides, we can also call them helpers and they often will send messages into the subconscious where the gut feeling comes into play that it's true and, useful info concerning yourself.

I had asked for help with the book as I wandered in my mind, off topic. I think I perhaps got more help than I asked for which just means to me I developed a perpetual feeling of gratitude for these helpers who came and went, and showed me practical things too, like a leaky faucet was happening in my rental house, where I was busy with the book, I hadn't had time to check on the other house. I saw the guides in my mind. one was a lady who pointed to the leak. the other a man instructed her how to place that image in my mind.

oh dear off track....as I was saying before I interrupted myself... I was in pain and didn't know why my back hurt so bad. I crawled up to my chair to type some more, sort of trying to laugh it off because I'm the silly one. I was in denial anything was wrong.
a few days of crawling around the house went by and pretty soon I was laughing because this was really DUMB!! I emailed Ric for help.
I didn't want to bother him with my problems and I could only type while on my knees on the floor before I would fall asleep on the floor.
He did get the message from the few words I typed. I told him I couldn't finish my book like this, to please heal me as I needed him.

I think this was all set up by our higher selves, because Ric discovered he could heal!
He worked on my back while he was in Tennessee and I was in New Mexico.
He said a Chinese helper, nonphysical showed him the two vertebrae which had slipped out of place. he showed him where to "pop" them back in place.

During the night I jumped..I mean I felt my body jump as the vertabrae went back into place! I kept on sleeping, I felt the relief, but I kept sleeping like a baby.

the next morning I was walking around as normal, just a little soreness was there around the vertebrae to let me know everytime a bone rubs on something, when it's out of place, thats what makes it feel sore. the soreness went away after a few days and dear ric told me not to lift anything heavy    I knew that! haha!

My gratitude increased for people who give of themselves this way to others. I wrote his name down in my book of heaven. when I get home, I'm going to tell everyone about Ric.

Not only that, the vertebrae has stayed in place to this very day and I have no reason to believe they will pop out again. Later, I went on the internet to look at a drawing of the back bones...Ric and the chinese helper had pinpointed the exact locations of the two that had slipped, they had numbers, like 2 and 4, and according to the diagram that was exactly where the pain was coming from.

love, alysia

Eddie called God a principle then so are we just mindless principles like him (just rules in the cosmic soup, I dont buy into this)

"Divine Principle never pardons our sins or mistakes till the are corrected..."
Science and Health, p. 11, line 12

BELOW IS CHRISTIAN SCIENCE DOGMA WHICH I REJECT

THE BIBLE

"The decisions by the vote of Church Councils...the manifest mistakes in the ancient versions, the thirty thousand deferent reading in the Old Testament, and the three hundred thousand in the New...these facts show how a mortal and material sense stole into the divine record, with its own hue darkening to some extent, the inspired pages."
Science and Health, p. 138 line 15


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Mary Baker Eddy claimed that she used the Bible as her text book, however her teachings bear no relation to the reality of Biblical doctrines. Like her belief in the non-existence of the material world, her claim that she believed the Bible, is also a non-existent reality. There is no doctrine or teaching in Christian Science that has not denied or changed every doctrine in the Bible.

There is a saying that Grape Nuts Cereal™, which is neither grapes or nuts, is like Christian Science, which is neither Christian or science. Christian Science claims to be Christian, but denies every teaching about Jesus Christ found in the Bible, including His own words about Himself. Christian Science claims to be science, but denies the reality of matter and the universe, therefore it makes the scientific method impossible to use.

The greatest condemnation of Christian Science is in its denial of the character of God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit and its refusal to accept the teaching of the Bible as authoritative.

The second greatest condemnation of Christian Science is in the hypocrisy of its founder, Mary Baker Eddy, who, although claiming to believe what she taught, did not practice the realities of her religion and instead of exalting herself from the bondage of the "mortal mind", instead, continued her life with no change in her approach to the "non-existent" material world.

She claimed that food was an illusion, but she never failed to eat.
She claimed the material world was an illusion, but she never failed to breathe the air around her until she breathed her last at death.
She claimed the material world was an illusion, but she never failed to protect herself from the cold and seek shelter in winter.
She claimed the material world was an illusion, but she wore clothes, rode in a car and lived in a house.
She claimed the material world was an illusion, but under her direction, her religious organization constructed church buildings.
She claimed that illness and disease were an illusion, but she wore glasses to correct her faulty vision.
She claimed disease did not exist but had a cold.
She claimed to have been cured of her mental disorders but in later life was mentally incapacitated in her endeavors.
She claimed marriage is "synonymous with legalized lust", (although lust was a product of the mortal mind and does not exist), but she was married four times.
She claimed the material world did not exist, but she did not fail to collect the money from her religious organization and died a millionaire.
She claimed the material world did not exist, but she wrote books for eyes to read and gave lectures for ears to hear.
She claimed that the sexual union did not produce children, which were actually produced by some mental generation, but when one of her followers claimed to have had an immaculate conception, Mrs. Eddy denied the claim of the woman.
She claimed that God is all, in all and all was from God, but she could not explain the origin of the "mortal mind" of man with all of its inherent errors.
She claimed that death did not exist, but that certain types of persons should be executed:Christian Science teaches that a maliciously disposed person can bring the power and influence of his or her mind to so bear upon another as to cause "arsenical poison in the blood of the stomach." To cause, in fact, any form of sickness and even the most terrible of deaths. This is what Mrs. Eddy calls "malicious animal magnetism." She says: "One of the greatest crimes practiced in, or known to, the ages is mental assassination." She further declares: "Persons who murder by it should be hung or electrocuted. The time has come for instructing human justice so that those secret criminals shall tumble before the Omnipotent finger, who will point them out to the human executioner." (Christian Science Journal, February 1889) In other words, Mary Baker Eddy taught that actually, through malicious animal magnetism, you can put a hex on somebody and kill him. Mrs. Eddy was obdurate in her belief that a host of mental assassins fell upon her lamented husband, Mr. Eddy, and wrought his death. Said one of her closest disciples: "Who can, with authority, deny Mrs. Eddy's statement that poison, mentally administered, killed her husband?" In Mrs. Eddy's mind there was no doubt. "My husband's death was caused by malicious mesmerism."

The Word Of God And Christian Science, Dr. John F. MacArthur, Sr., p. 15
The argument by Mrs. Eddy's disciple is the same as that postulated by the claims of many different groups and beliefs. It is a very popular argument among those who advocate conspiracy theories in the deaths of presidents, kings and other public figures. They point the figure at the person who disagrees with their statement and demand that proof be provided that the occurrence did not happen. This is entirely wrong, because the negative cannot be proved. The burden of proof belongs to the proponent of the theory, in this case with Mrs. Eddy and her disciple. They provided no proof, but, instead, substituted a claimed "revelation" of words for facts. Any person can claim a revelation and any person can make any statement, but the proof is in the authentication of the claim, which Christian Science has not provided.


She claimed that Christian Science could liberate man from the illusion of death, just like she claimed happened to Jesus Christ, but she died and was buried just like every other human being in history.

The realities of the Christian Science belief structure rely on the supposed un-reality of everything that humanity claims that is. In this belief structure is the false foundation that makes it impossible to live in accord with those beliefs. It is impossible to live as if everything is an illusion, and in that impossibility is the impossibility that anyone could ever accept those beliefs to the point of demonstrating the effects of those beliefs. No Christian Science practitioner has ever overcome the "mortal material sense" and disappeared into the realm of being. All Christian Scientists have or will die. Mrs. Eddy, even with all her claims, could not overcome death herself. The Bible speaks for itself, refuting everything taught by Christian Science. Everything that is taught in Christian Science came from the mind of Mrs. Eddy and not from the pages of the Bible.

And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment...
The Holy Bible, Hebrews 9:27 (NAS)

GODHEAD
God is a spiritual being, not a principle as claimed by Christian Science.

"God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."
The Holy Bible, The Words Of Jesus Christ, John 4:23-24 (NAS)

God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM"; and He said, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.'"
The Holy Bible, Exodus 3:14 (NAS)

In the above verse, God speaks to Moses, indicating he recognized that Moses had a body and physical senses, and God also commanded Moses to speak to Israel, indicating that He recognized that they also had bodies and faculties of a physical nature. God is a Being of Spirit, speaking words to Moses. God is not an idea or a principle, but a Being Who Is, has a definite nature, personality and exerts authority over human beings.

MAN
Contrary to the claims of Mrs. Eddy that the physical does not exist, man is a physical being, not without substance and not an ephemeral expression of the "Divine Principle". Man has a duality of nature, being both of substance and of spirit. The substance being temporary in its current state, and the spiritual being everlasting.

The God said, "Let Us made man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the bids of the sky and over the cattle and over the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps o the earth."
The Holy Bible, Genesis 2:26 (NAS)

Then the Lord God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
The Holy Bible, Genesis 2:7

The God Who Is, creates the physical body of man and, notes that all that is physical was created prior to the creation of man, including: fish, birds, living things on the earth, the earth itself and the heavens above the earth. The physical is not an illusion of man's mortal mind, but the creation of the God Who Is and created before man ever came into being as a living soul. (Genesis 2:26- 27; 2:7)

"I have made the earth, the men and the beasts which are on the face of the earth by My great power and by My out stretched arm, and I will give it to the one who is pleasing in My sight."
The Holy Bible, Jeremiah 27:5 (NAS)

Know that the Lord Himself is God; It is He who has made us, and not we ourselves; We are His people and the sheep of His pasture.
The Holy Bible, Psalm 100:3 (NAS)

RAI ,

I was not referring to sincere Christian Scientists (although they could all be sincerely wrong)

I was referring to Mary Baker Eddie herself

IF SHE TALKED THE TALK SHE SHOULD HAVE WALKED THE WALK

And what about the post on my Cousin Shirley’s horrible death due to this belief

alan

Alan,

As I thought about all the stuff you posted about Mrs. Eddy, I realized what she had to contend with while she was establishing the Christian Science Church.

Jesus was the leader in spiritual healing, and also stirred up a lot of opposition as this passage from Luke describes:

6 And it came to pass also on another sabbath, that he entered into the synagogue and taught: and there was a man whose right hand was withered.
7 And the scribes and Pharisees watched him, whether he would heal on the sabbath day; that they might find an accusation against him.
8 But he knew their thoughts, and said to the man which had the withered hand, Rise up, and stand forth in the midst. And he arose and stood forth.
9 Then said Jesus unto them, I will ask you one thing; Is it lawful on the sabbath days to do good, or to do evil? to save life, or to destroy it?
10 And looking round about upon them all, he said unto the man, Stretch forth thy hand. And he did so: and his hand was restored whole as the other.
11 And they were filled with madness; and communed one with another what they might do to Jesus.

Jesus had to contend with the stifling literalism that the Jewish establishment had forced onto religous practice, the Politically Correct thinking of its day.  Mrs. Eddy had to contend with the wrath directed at someone who would suggest that spiritual healing was even possible at all.

Thank God for the First Amendment.

The truth is in the demonstration.  It really works.

REI

Hey, Alan,

You're blinding me...

All those bright yellow highlighted areas feel like you're shouting.

I'm sorry about your cousin. That's just terribly sad. It seems that most of us here have had tragic losses at one time or another. Talking about these things heightens our emotions, doesn't it?

love, blink