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Reply #45 - Jan 22nd, 2008 at 2:51pm
 
Dave:  However, alas, what I used to do all night now takes me all night to do.

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thanks for sharing Dave. nice thread you guys. I just told our CS friend spirit brought him here. thats how I feel about it. my opinion.

Dave, you are official title Spiritualist minister? it just surprised me. my roots are there.

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Reply #46 - Jan 22nd, 2008 at 4:08pm
 
It's a technical title, Alysia. I occasionally have a marriage or whtever to do. It's fun. I think all our roots are there, in point of fact. But my work remains formally defined as clinical hypno-analysis and regression. The rest is just a convenient technicality.

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Reply #47 - Jan 23rd, 2008 at 12:26am
 

Dave

You are correct in that we can read explore any belief system we like as free private individuals, extracting what is good and positive and spewing out the nonsense. My problem with CS is that they like all sects they are exclusive in that they believe if you do not believe exactly what the preach and promulgate you are ignorant,deceived and possible destined to some sort of lost eternity or hell fire.

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From this perspective, there is a progression of organizations available to the naive new soul through which to ultimately find the path back to God. I do not feel that it is because God is malicious, capricious, or inscrutible that we have all this ecclesiastical clutter. Rather, it is necessary to fit the means to those who need it, so we have a pretty wide spectrum of dors through which to walk in search of ultimate Realization



Very nicely put Dave but god is inscrutable or we would not be having this dialogue or belong to this forum.

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Reply #48 - Jan 23rd, 2008 at 10:16am
 
Alan,

Your previous post is total nonsense.  One of the standard lessons in CS is titled "Eternal Punishment" and the lesson teaches that there is no such thing.

CS stresses individualism and freedom.  There are no exclusive requirements, but a common desire to know God better as individuals and do a better job of healing.

CS was one of the first organizations to implement term limits and mandatory rotation in office for elected offices to prevent individuals from exercising undue effect on others and entrenching themselves in power.

The goal of a Christian Scientist is to demonstrate healing of all discordant situations through the application of Divine Love.

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Reply #49 - Jan 23rd, 2008 at 2:34pm
 
Hi Rei-
You've made an interesting remark, that it's easy to test CS by working on some issue with a Practitioner. I think that this would make an interesting project. If anyone else is interested I'd be glad to join in and do the statistics (if any).

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Reply #50 - Jan 23rd, 2008 at 7:19pm
 
REI,

I have negotiated and healed myself around the most appalling health problems during my life, without the need of a CS practitioner.

I take umbrage at the terms you used to reflect my posts such as: "absolute nonsense" and "you cannot comprehend". I never dialogue Absolute Nonsense and comprehend fully all you have posted, "tone down your rhetoric", we are supposed to be friends on this forum. I am entitled to believe what I believe. My universe has long been expanded in ways my friend,in separate ways, that you do not comprehend. As for CS I saw tasted and rejected as false.

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If you ever have a serious problem, you may wish to contact a Practitioner.   

If you do, I truly hope you have an experience similar to those that I have had.  It will heal you and expand your universe in ways you don't seem to comprehend right now

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Reply #51 - Jan 23rd, 2008 at 7:40pm
 
Darn it, did I missed something here, why do I sense fussing?

P.S. I have an ailment which requires each and every one of us to demonstrate PUL for it to be healed. How does one go about such?

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Reply #52 - Jan 24th, 2008 at 4:18am
 
Alan,

I can't remember the last time I heard the word umbrage. 

Umbrage and disdain are words not often heard among the Christian Scientists I associate with.

However, I am grateful that you have been able to heal yourself of the most appalling health problems. 

John 18:38
Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all.

I was looking through a CS Journal yesterday and an article commented that MBE never required that students be members of the CS Church to attend the twelve day class on Spiritual Healing that she set up. 

Advanced Practitioners are appointed as teachers, and conduct classes on healing.  They choose their own students, which then become members of the teacher's association.  The annual meeting of my association is one of the high points of my year.  Teachers are noted in the Journal by the initials CSB following their names.

MBE had hoped that the other churches would incorporate her discoveries into their practice, but they were instead met with umbrage and disdain. 

She set up her church to provide a place for her students to meet.  You don't have to be a Christian Scientist to be healed by it, and there is no expectation that you will become one after you are healed, although many do.  When I went back to the Methodist Church I had attended as a young person during a visit to my home town, I was amazed at how empty of meaning the service seemed. 

I usually spend my Sunday mornings listening to sermons by some favorite local pastors on the radio in Vincennes Indiana.  Then I listen to the weekly CS Sentinel Radio broadcast and go to the church to practice for the service which I help conduct as Second Reader.

A listing of Sentinel Radio stations and times is here:  http://www.spirituality.com/sentinelradio/index.jhtml

If you are ever in Vincennes on a Sunday Alan, you are welcome to attend our services.  We will not take umbrage and you will not be treated with disdain.

John 8:32
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Science and Health (the textbook) and the King James Bible are online in searchable form here:  http://www.spirituality.com/dt/toc_sh.jhtml ;  It is a handy place to find quotations to copy and paste from.

As I said in an earlier post, I didn't get the meaning of most of the textbook the first time I read it.  CS really needs to be experienced to be understood.  After my original healing I went back to the textbook and still didn't get a lot out of it, but as time has passed I see more and more in it.

I happened across the paperback copy I used during my class and reread some of the highlighted parts yesterday.  I randomly opened it to find a selection that had a lot of meaning for something I was thinking about.

John 15:12
This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

PUL for all, all the time.

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Reply #53 - Jan 24th, 2008 at 3:07pm
 
I await my copy of Rees.

Watching the development of ideas here, I'm coming to the conclusion that we've all put ourselves on quite a trip.   Aside from covering my backside with respect to bad actions of the past, I can't see that it makes a bit of difference what I believe, so long as it maintains a decent world with loving friends.

After suggesting that we might collectively look up a CS Practitioner to hassle, I'm trying to think of a good collective goal that we might experience. Immediate liits come to mind - it ought to be socially beneficial, be good for CS and the Practitioner, and it should be useful in the goals of the general forum in the sense of supporting it. One possibility might be to develop a new meditative skill - and of course I'm still interested in the How-To aspect of healing.

Ideas, anyone?

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Reply #54 - Jan 24th, 2008 at 4:48pm
 
Dave,

What is liits?  The best healings are usually associated with some physical ailment, but the people on this site may already be far healthier than most.

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Reply #55 - Jan 25th, 2008 at 2:34pm
 
Hmmm - "liits" is a typo. - Between a sticky keyboard, big fingers, a lack of typing skill and not proof-reading, evidently these things happen. - Sorry.

Maybe "ideas" would be a better word.

Since this is a forum oriented toward afterlife and healing, perhaps skill building to become proficient in this area would be appropriate, That fits my immediate interests. It is "healing" in the sense of getting rid of superfluous mind-fluff. Like cleaning the lint trap on my closthes dryer. Smiley

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Reply #56 - Jan 25th, 2008 at 3:27pm
 
Thanks Dave. 

I have spent my life in the electronics and programming area where everything is an acronym.

I am one of the few AFAIK among Christian Scientists in this afterlife area.  I have passed the site to several other CS'ers and two seem to have some interest but not at the level I do.

A Practitioner might be personally interested in afterlife exploration but their focus is on healing in this earthly experience.  I heard of one who would work on the deceased but she was the exception.

They are working people who spend their days responding to those who call on them for help with problems in the here and now.

It was physical healing that got the CS movement going.

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Reply #57 - Jan 25th, 2008 at 4:48pm
 
Hi Rei-
Well, if you had one of those old time cellular phones that came in a half cubic meter of discrete components, you probably used equipment that I worked on. (About 40 years back.)  Nothing like electronics to stimulate clear cause-and-effect analysis of things.

My thought is that the only thing that really needs healing is our attitude, since attitude is our posture in life, from which our leanings toward this or that idea tend to get us involved in the things to which we cling. Like having the annoying flu that's been going around - and lingering afterwards. My nose is becoming calloused from blowing it so often. I have no idea why I have attached myself to the bugs that spread it, but there's got to be some kind of subtle payoff.

Actually, thinking about it, if I pray sincerely I always get what I ask for. It adds a certain element of hazard, because I don't always ask for things I really need, and not always am I willing to deal with what I get. Smiley

I'll wat until Rees' book arrives and reconsider.

One of the things I've noticed on this forum is that most people here seem to get their wishes granted -whether in terms of keeping loved ones around, or otherwise. And that has its own pitfalls, since one of the simplest ways to keep them around is to stick them ont the psyche as hitch hiking entities - not a bad thing, but one that keeps them stuck, and can be annoying when they start babbling and fussing at inopportune
moments.

Whatever else,  I've gotten a new perspective for the moment. - Thanks

By the way, what does AFAIK mean?

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Reply #58 - Jan 25th, 2008 at 4:58pm
 
AFAIK is As Far As I Know.

I must have missed the reference to the Rees book. 

The only book I think I mentioned was Peel's book on Spiritual Healing In A Scientific Age.

I would be interested in your take on my new thread.

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