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Re: I need some guidance about Focus 10 and OBE
Reply #15 - Jan 14th, 2008 at 5:16am
 
I was about to have a full OBE I belive, some time ago but I was stopped it because I didn't know what was about to happen to me Smiley.
I realise that you can interact with the scenes in which you are only that not always I can make it happen. As Justin and LaughingRain advice I will go along with the experiences and see what comes up in time.
I can't help wandering what are the stages of developement and perception? can you define them, how they are structured. As it is now I have only vague perceptions and it's not very clear what happens. You are right that from a scene you make up in your mind as you progress some unexpected things are popping up.
Can or should I continue the developement from focus 10 or should also try focus 12? Are things more advanced from there or from higher focuses?
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Re: I need some guidance about Focus 10 and OBE
Reply #16 - Jan 14th, 2008 at 9:54pm
 
Hi Lia,
when you're familiar with Focus10 you can try the other Focus Level HemiSync recordings. I suggest at first you don't read so much what others have experienced with it, but simply follow the guidance of the recording and write down what you have experienced. If you haven't any special experiences, you could think about if the general "feeling" of that level is different from Focus10. When you think you have an impression of the new FocusLevel(s) you can read what others experienced, maybe you'll find similarities.
  Then you will read more about what is said about the purposes, the specialties of each FocusLevel; this then is not your own experience, but I found that this can enhance the perception while being there, simply because then you have a concept of what you could do there, and this will cause something to happen. I noticed, when I am laying down and let my thoughts wander, when I have something in mind what I could do, or where I could go, I change immediately to the appropriate FocusLevel; so we can guess that it are not so much "places" but simply the state of awareness you put yourself in when you're about to start a specific action.

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Re: I need some guidance about Focus 10 and OBE
Reply #17 - Jan 15th, 2008 at 4:58pm
 
Spooky is right I think, to follow the tapes and be persistent, and patient, and tune into what you might see as your higher self or a guide helping you.
I wouldn't throw in the towle just yet Lia.

have you seen any blackness? Bruce talks about 3d blackness when first starting out. then you might see a tiny speck of something and follow that in your mind, see what it is, if you can perceive any image trying to unfold.
the only advice I can give is that I do see images sometimes. I learned to "play along" with them, to see what they change into something I can perceive.

then if you play along with it, you still have to interpret it with the other half of the brain. you may even have to reinterpret it after you've thought you had it interpreted correctly, so thats where the patience might be utilized in these sorts of meditations.
then some of us may not "see" but we may "hear."
some are more visual, some are more auditory developed.
if you have the tapes though, keep at it, much work has been put into them and I trust they will help you. love, alysia
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Re: I need some guidance about Focus 10 and OBE
Reply #18 - Jan 16th, 2008 at 5:23am
 
Thanks for advices. I realise that I have to be patient and to keep exercising but I'm still curious and impatient to find out what will come next.
I have no ideea how the 3D blackness is, I read about it in the forum. I suppose I haven't experienced it, I have tried the focus 12 in the past for some time, but I couldn't feel it. With practice I suppose it will come. I will experience a little bit more with focus 10 and then move to the focus 12 exercises.
I found out that some changes are starting to happen. I have blocked conciously my evolution from a fast one to one that is slower , one where I can chew things and don't become frightened. In the beginning after reading Monroe books and started experiencing with energy and Hemisync some strange things started to happen during the night, very strong feelings, that frightened me. I was not sure what were they so I did whatever I could to stop them. If I were to go back in time I would let them happen.
My higher self tried to contact me some time ago during one of my dreams but could not make the contact. I hope that the contact will be possible in the near future.
I have commenced to have precognitive dreams. Had a few in the past, but it seems that they are coming back. For example I had a dream about the sister of one of my colleagues. Never dreamt her befor and never after. She got a job as department manager at Carrefour. She went to Bucharest for 6 month training. In my dream I saw her having an argument with the management and she couldn't agree with them on something so she quit the job. I told my colleague and she said Oh she's ok with the job. After a week or more I asked her again how is her sister. And she told me that her sister did quit the job due to some disagreement with the management Shocked.
I also foud out that things I really want are happening, not necessary big things but small ones. I do not focus on them I simply know that I want them. If I do focus and think about them constantly it's not sure thay they materialise. And of course I am more patient and the stress level has reduced considerably.
Are this happening to you also?
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Reply #19 - Jan 16th, 2008 at 5:50pm
 
Hi Lia, yes sweetie it is indeed my self same experience. glad to meet you. and so glad that you have reduced your stress level. same here. peace has descended is the way I put it, as fear is displaced by trust in your process of what you are discovering as u open to new ways of opening up to your greater self.
you describe it well. the entire process and u didn't use many words, so I may be reading between the lines and don't want to misinterpret your words..so I'll just tell you a brief similar story/experience I had which u reminded me of.

I was best friends with my foreign neighbor Gabi. I found her "out there" even before I moved to Roswell. what I call spirit guidance, who would be a friend while I was in that town. we are taken care of by spirit guidance, although my words are unsuitable for many.

so she was having visa problems unknown to me. one night I dreamed a man had authority over her, in the dream he seemed to be her father.
I saw her trust was misplaced in this man due to something that he was ignorant about. not that he was evil, but he had been trusting his secretary to take care of Gabi's paperwork and the secretary he had hired had quit and left town.
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at one point in reality Gabi came and told me that she might be sent back to Germany against her will if the papers did not come straightway, and she had paid a lot of money for her visa and was also trying to get her money back and start the papers over.
as it turned out in reality she hired another agency only after getting into a big brawl with the first agency as the man in my dream, portrayed as her father not only was the issue agent of her visa, he had become in his mind, her protector, like a father.
(she has this little girl quality and she's cute, but don't let that fool you!)

I thought the dream was interesting with the symbol of father and daughter roles going on, as well all the stress of her being born "legal" into this country.
I gave her my dream as a warning to move onto another agency quickly, which she did almost on the same day, so maybe I was supposed to be a part of the action to help her decide what to do. it turned out ok in the end.

I have these type of dreams sporadically. they are not predictable items, but definetely fall under precognition, which makes us question our ideas of what is linear time and what is a series of events which happen in linear time and whether in that case, our destiny is somewhat under our control if we would be using these precognitions to help another person.  love, alysia
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Reply #20 - Jan 17th, 2008 at 3:14am
 
Thanks Alysia for sharing, you are very nice. I am not a very good narrator (I am an engineer, a left brain thinker, so maybe this is the cause) and in English is a little bit harder to express myself.
This board is marvelous , so many things to read and learn Smiley.

Love, Lia
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Reply #21 - Jan 17th, 2008 at 9:39pm
 
I think you shared your story just fine Lia whether you are left brained I didn't have a clue, seems like precognitions though use the right side of the brain?
thats what I think anyway.
oh dear. you called me nice. I was hoping I would not get that reputation but its too late!
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Reply #22 - Jan 30th, 2008 at 7:33am
 
Hi to evryone again,

I would like to share with you someting intersting that happened to me while in Focus 10. Yetsreday I entered focus 10 with the intention of viewing and remembering the Lottery numbers  Grin (it didn't happen). I went to my place in the corn field. While walking on the road I had a stange sense that the place is somehow spooky, like inhabited by malefic presence. I thought, oh it's my imagination, go on don't be afraid. I arrived to the house and went on the terrace where is parked my flying motocycle. I asked for a guide that will take me to a place where I can see the lottery numbers.
Someone came.  I thanked him for coming and I sent my love to him. The spooky and terryfing sensation was still in the atmosphere. I asked him if he is ready and he told me that yes, he is. But his voice was like one of the monsters you see in the horror movies, very deep and frightening. I still thought, oh it's me , he's OK and I asked him if he's a guide and he said that yes, he is. We left and we were moving. I continued to send him love and affection and at one moment he told me quite irritated to stop sending this stupid love to him. I asked you don't like my love? and he said No, I don't.
Then I took attitude and told him that if he doesn't like my love he should go off my bike and leave. And that's what he did.
All the time when we moved I had the sensation that he was going to take me to the lower realms.

Did anyone had any experince with negative entities while in Focus 10?

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Lia
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Re: I need some guidance about Focus 10 and OBE
Reply #23 - Jan 30th, 2008 at 11:54pm
 
Quite interesting. Apparently, the spooky folks can't stand it for a longer while to be exposed to lovely vibes. I like your approach to that atmosphere, you noticed a bad vibe, but you kept on being positive; this "it's just me" let you always keep controlling the situation and not fear overruning you. That's the good thing about phasing as opposed to OBE, in OBE's it can happen that one forgets that it isn't the physical, and forget that you can't get physically hurt, while with phasing you're normally aware of that it is nonphysical, so the physically related fears won't come up.

Here and there I came across what can be called negative entities. But, looking back, it's more appropriate to call them "poor entities", as they believe they need to drag other people down, or are just very depressive, or narrow minded. They might look evil or bad when I let it happen to become involved, either from fear, or own aggression. So, it fits in a way, "it's just me".

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Re: I need some guidance about Focus 10 and OBE
Reply #24 - Jan 31st, 2008 at 2:29am
 
Thanks Spooky,

I thought that others might have encountered negative entities. I am glad that I had a positive approach. What I wonder is can these "poor or negative entities" be helped? I thought about it afterwards. I would like to "hear" how other approached the negative entitites when they encountered them. We always can learn from others.


Have a nice day,

Lia
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