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Jan 8th, 2008 at 2:54pm
 
Wondering what some of your thoughts might be as to what you expect to find and how you might exist (live) in heaven. (?)
I expect it to be much like here with the exception of not being in body. There will be jobs to do and expectations of things to compleat. A desire to have a closer bond with God. A knowingness of something better. Also a possibility of concern. Like... when I live, will I be going to earth or to hell?  Perhaps even a fear of comming back to be in body. Opinions to be developed and paths to be decided. Something like that. Any thoughts of the "afterlife?"
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Reply #1 - Jan 8th, 2008 at 3:17pm
 
I once regressed a real estate loan broker. His heaven was filled with nice little houses, all transparent and made of light. I should've asked about interest rates Wink

I regressed a woman who loved horses and she said that after her prior life she had a little cottage in a field where her horse also lived, and that's all there was. There was more space around her, but she was somehow constrained from access, so it was just her and her horse.  (I'm all for animal husbandry, but there are limits.)

The closest I personally have been to heaven would be a sense of infinite light into which I was dissolving. Obviously I seem to have precipitated out again. Oh well ...

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Reply #2 - Jan 8th, 2008 at 3:31pm
 
I agree Joe there would be similarities, but different laws to be under than physics.

from watching my sister, deceased, she told me she works with abused horses now, but she also has a place to live, and she met a new man, as she always believed in having just one person in a relationship, a very traditional person she was. in life she trained horses and won trophies for that, so it looks like we continue doing what we know best, what we love, she must have been like a horse whisperer then, because she won so many shows, she knows this animal well and continued to attend them on the other side with a deep love.

I imagine upon transition we will regain some memories of having been on that side of things after the first few days of linear time, and we certainly have our own group of people around us who have already transitioned, they seem to know when your number is up and prepare to greet you, and make it easy. At first it's all new, I suspect, then the memories of this place make it feel like home once more.
I feel I'm with a dance troupe on the other side, when I go to sleep at night..it's not like a job, but something we love to do and I'll just pick up where I left off. we invent new dance steps, and the younger ones about to enter  take these steps into the Earth planes.
we also help people with their sorrow when we dance. so it's not like it's a frivolous activity just because it's not intellectual.

theres so many interesting groups to visit also...seems like it would be a very busy place and yet have many relaxation locales as well. then the group you are with are very familiar entities also and much time is spent with them reflecting on the experiences gained in the life physical, and their observations are helpful.
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Reply #3 - Jan 8th, 2008 at 4:46pm
 
Wink I guess not only does it seem that belief is a central determinant of what we experience I'm also cautious about interpreting this sort of 'afterlife' experience as heaven, or even as a stable state of post-death existence.

I can't claim any experience to that effect, but I've a sneaky feeling that we can't access it all...
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Reply #4 - Jan 9th, 2008 at 12:10am
 
hi Ian, my example is just an individual example of the astral plane where my sister could not go higher until she worked off some forgiveness she had to get from family members, and she had a lot of resentments when she died. its best, if you want to ascend higher planes, not to die as a bitter unhappy person. you have to spend more time working it thru then. also many people have died in my family and they had to come and recieve from each family member forgiveness for their mistakes..this is just like the bible, where it says every jot and tittle must be accounted for, it just means every thought we've ever had against someone else is considered in the afterlife important to rectify, meaning get yer baggage taken care of before you transition and you can go higher right away.
my stepfather requested as a spirit forgiveness of my mother also. they all try to get forgiveness so they can move on.

its so simple is salvation, PUL is the operative out there, and forgiveness comes first.
we actually don't need any thought system at all if we understand the premise of do unto others, etc.
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Reply #5 - Jan 17th, 2008 at 10:54pm
 
My feelings are much like Bruces, Munroe's & Keppel's (who all seem to agree on this) that the afterlife is ... exactly what you think it will be like.

Thought equals reality.

Munroe and Bruce talk about the Belief System Territories where most people would congreate I'd imaging. I think the statistic of the percentage of people in the world who believe in some form of religion is somewhere around the 90-95%?

It's interesting that two different people can have two completely different expectations of the afterlife and both argue their point to the death and subsequently be both proven 100% correct when they pass over... I wonder what happens if they both stumble across each other again in the afterlife... The argument would continue ad-finitum until someone cottoned on to what's really happening and was able to move on to 'higher' states Cool

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Reply #6 - Jan 18th, 2008 at 2:37am
 
Hi Hawkeye,
How about this?   T


   What people call "heaven" is really our true home and destination. It is where we go for "recess" or to be rewarded by assessing our progress as a soul, evaluating our lives, and to remember all truths, including our real identity. We stay there for however long best serves our development.
   Heaven is not a place of rest because no one there gets tired. It's more like a new lease on life.
 
Heaven is a place of imagination. Heaven is exactly what our imagination needs it to be.
   
In heaven, where all people really love each other, there are no inhibitions, or need for them. Everyone does exactly as they please; which works out well because only the best in each person survives, and good is all anyone ever wants to do. This allows a freedom and happiness that people on earth can't imagine.
   
People don't go to heaven because of their good deeds, or because they believe this or that, but because they fit in and belong. It's what you are that counts.
   
Each soul has a "job" to do, a position to fill in the greater scheme of things. All souls evolve.
   Souls can choose to remain in heaven and operate on a particular level for eternity if they desire.
   
-After death, each soul has to rise as best it can through a hierarchy of heavens and face the increasingly difficult challenges posed by the guardian angels of each level of heaven.
   
Things in heaven don't age, don't get dirty, don't wear out, and don't get tired.  Everything is kept pure by God.
   
Our deceased pets appear in heaven the way we remember them, only younger and more vital. We can communicate with them telepathically. They also have dwelling places of their own

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Reply #7 - Jan 18th, 2008 at 7:17am
 
That's funny, alchemist. I have to say, this is a little bit of heaven for me at times....will we have the urge to show reruns of the best arguments....like old "Honeymooners" reruns on tv....

There was an old show in the mid twentieth century (I love saying that, weird to be in a new century) called "The Honeymooners" and it featured a great comic called Jackie Gleason. He lived in a small flat with his wife, Alice, in the series, and he drove a bus for a living. He loved to invent new schemes for making money with his pal and best friend. He liked to fuss and yell a lot, and his long-suffering wife seemed able to stand up to him, even though they would stare each other down, face to face, and he would finally explode:

"One day....one day.....ONE DAY, Alice.....STRAIGHT TO THE MOON!!!!!" he would roar, shaking his fist in the air at her.

Of course, nowadays, that shaking fist would be oh, so politically incorrect.

But I love that line.

love, blink Smiley
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Reply #8 - Jan 18th, 2008 at 1:58pm
 
Blink, That was one of best...A real show, showing PUL.  Now that Alice...she really was "the greatest". It sure showed love and forgivness with exceptence. How sweet it was!


Alan, I have always said how I can't wait to get home again. Having been to a visit there, I did see a passed pet. Climbing up on to the couch, calmly waiting for me to get home.
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hawkeye wrote on Jan 8th, 2008 at 2:54pm:
Wondering what some of your thoughts might be as to what you expect to find and how you might exist (live) in heaven. (?) I expect it to be much like here with the exception of not being in body. There will be jobs to do and expectations of things to compleat. A desire to have a closer bond with God. A knowingness of something better. Also a possibility of concern. Like... when I live, will I be going to earth or to hell?  Perhaps even a fear of comming back to be in body. Opinions to be developed and paths to be decided. Something like that. Any thoughts of the "afterlife?"
Joe


Joes I particuarly laughed my buns off when I read: Also a possibility of concern. Like... when I live, will I be going to earth or to hell? Yeah, you could be on the right track on "the ways we might feel in perspection of looking at it from the other side onto this one".

One thing is sure for me, meaning I firmly believe this: There are jobs there. My dad told me this in a lucid dream which ties into this thread. Matter of fact I`ll share a little with ya`ll.

I am extremely aware when I sleep okay. It derives out of a desolate childhood inwhich I always had to sleep with "one eye opened" so to speak okay. Well, one night last year I appeared to have woke up, there was a bright friggin light in my bathroom. I sort of thought to myself "someone turned on the friggin light in middle of the night and forgot to turn it off", so I "thought" I got up, however I was laying right there the whole time - asleep -.
I walked around my bed, heading towards the bathroom, when I noticed my dad (whom has crossed over 1998) I was somewhat shocked and I began to want to say something to him. He tells me: NO! Dont say a word, just watch. So I inturn, being Willi`s daughter naturally by birth not heeding parents words, open my mouth again and want to ask questions, whereby he tells me in a stirn voice "If you open your mouth one more time, then I will leave".  So I startled, stood there barefoot in my nighty at the rim of the door watching. He and others were "working", he was smiling, handing other people stuff and they were walking right by me doing so. He then said that "we are all working over here". I woke up laying in my bed and its left an impression behind.

So I guess I am looking at the afterlife as being exactly that which we have here in a way and it is incordinance with "what state of mind we are in at the time of departure" which determines "how we exsist there".. Fact for me is, there is an afterlife. Heaven for me will be a place of unconditional love and care, I hope to see lots of nature, my loved ones, my puppy Suzi whom explain to me where I am at that moment and I hope that I decide to help others too.

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Nanner said: I walked around my bed, heading towards the bathroom, when I noticed my dad (whom has crossed over 1998) I was somewhat shocked and I began to want to say something to him. He tells me: NO! Dont say a word, just watch. So I inturn, being Willi`s daughter naturally by birth not heeding parents words, open my mouth again and want to ask questions, whereby he tells me in a stirn voice "If you open your mouth one more time, then I will leave".
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cool Nan, this brings up some research for me concerning obe. u know how he says "don't say a word, just watch?"  I'm comparing this to my obes and speaking out there in general.

I note its difficult to remember what was said either in a dream or obe. Im just studying obes of others too. not commenting on anything good or bad just want to learn all I can.

because I've determined whereever I go, it's a reality. I believe that really was your dad for instance, so that means you were in this sideral dimension where your "awareness" occupied a more finer vibrating body form no less real than physical dimension.

so I think about the inability to remember all details of the spoken words that went there and I conclude the spoken word utterance belongs to the brain segment of mind.
while telepathy is appropriate for the other dimension.
but we women like to talk  Grin just kidding.  HOWever, we can talk and remember what we said out there in obe. I know, because I've started to piece together a conversation I had out there many years ago. more pieces come back today and it's interesting it took this long to remember as I had remembered only the jist of the thing, the general outline through the feelings that I was emoting as thought.

don't know if this makes sense. I think Nan was not quite developed enough in her new circumstance to be able to formulate the questions to dad that she wished to, and her spirit guide father wished to quieten her down so he could then show her something through images.  and he did, and she did as asked and now we know, we have jobs over there.

cool.  what I noticed is over there I/there, whatever, does talk. most of the talking I do.
and over the years I remember better, but surely not perfectly yet. and also there will sometimes be writing upon a paper; I will be able to remember only one or two words when I remember at the time trying to remember the complete sentence but failed in that. so perhaps it just takes time, and I can come back to ground level one and set an intention to retain more. thats the aim. Also it appears the telepathy when it operates flows nonstop back and forth like a wave, and it can be confusing who is thinking what.

so the images are far more conducive to generate communication between two people than the actual verbal content, in most cases. you had both verbal and image, which is pretty remarkable all in all.
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Reply #11 - Jan 21st, 2008 at 12:11am
 
Cool

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Hi,

I believe when we move into the afterlife from the earthly real we are eased into the new reality by not being exposed immediately to things completely strange, bizarre and weird. The first heaven or next dimensions, realm of existence after death is kept as a mirror of earth but more beautiful and sublime.

Thus, the illusion of cloths, flowing gowns, gardens similar to the earthly knowledge of the traveler to the afterlife. The belief system plays a vital role and say: tradition indigenous Americans would go to he happy hunting grounds of a heaven full of buffalo to hunt.

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Reply #12 - Jan 21st, 2008 at 1:09pm
 
Alysia, I must admitt IT STUCK WITH ME! I have never to my knowledge ever had an OBE. And if that was one, then hey, I wanna do that again Smiley

To me it was remarkable. I mean the light which woke me up so to speakat first I saw everything sort of thru a "sleepy eyed" self. (ya know, like when you just open up your peepers first thing in the morning.) Then I walk around the bed to the endpost so to be able to look straight into the bathroom, where I see my dad. THAT blew me away. (I immediately knew in my "whatever" - that he was deceased!)

I began to verbally want to "ask" questions and was basically told before I could utter a sound to shut up and watch. People (souls) with faces, bodies and movements and all were walking right by me down the hallway, just as if they were remodeling my bathrrom.

How all these people fit into my bathroom was one of my "amazed thoughts" . He stood in the bathroom and was handing them things as they walked by. Thats were he told me "we work over here" exactly in those words Alysia. He was smiling, looked younger and seemed very happy in his doings - . 

When I woke up in my bed fully conscious, I knew instantly that - that which I had seen was "real" - oh and I did forget to mention a very important point:
In this whatever..I stubbed my foot in the process and felt it hurt I didnt let is distract me though and the next morning my foot was bruised. That made me really start to think.

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Reply #13 - Jan 21st, 2008 at 5:34pm
 
But...But...But...Nanner can you PROVE it?  hehe! (teasing ya)

I think it is really cool when that stuff happens.

I have only seen my Father once in a dream and he was just looking at me.
That was it.

My Father in Law on the other hand walked across the grass (The Park?...dunno for sure) and smiled widely then hugged me.
No words spoken either...
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Reply #14 - Jan 21st, 2008 at 6:45pm
 
Old Dood wrote on Jan 21st, 2008 at 5:34pm:
But...But...But...Nanner can you PROVE it?  hehe! (teasing ya)I think it is really cool when that stuff happens.
I have only seen my Father once in a dream and he was just looking at me.
That was it.My Father in Law on the other hand walked across the grass (The Park?...dunno for sure) and smiled widely then hugged me. No words spoken either...


Old Dood teasing the Nanner, naaaaaaaw old dood wouldnt do that, would he?...lol.. (When you stop teasing me then I know that you dont like me anymore Doody babe!)
Can you discribe what facial expression your dad had when looking at you? Hmmm your father in law hugged you and your dad didnt? Whats up with that pop! Tell him next time you want a hug!

Until then, heres one from me,
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