I agree with you Orlando.

What is the point of punishing somebody if they let go of the mental tendencies that caused them to do wrong, and if their victims now live in heaven?

I bet you Hitler's victims aren't looking for Hitler to be punished. Not if they are abiding in a higher realm. Rather, they are hoping that Hitler recognizes his mistakes (perhaps he already has), and do what he needs to correct his way of being.

My guess is that any spirit/person who changes from an unloving way of being to a loving way of being feels great remorse, guilt and shame when it comes to grips with the wrong it has done. To a being who recognizes the importance of love, such feelings would be more torturious than what takes place in a lower realm. I figure no being moves from darkness to light, without taking full responsibility for the wrongs it did. Such a being would probably be far more harsh with itself, than the beings who try to help it.


orlando123 wrote on Dec 18^th, 2007 at 5:01pm:

Justin - Quote: We all have helpful guides who try to keep us on track, but how often do we really listen?   There are also deceptive, ignorant, and purposely misleading forces who try to connect to and influence us.    

What are the means you know of that "Guides" make themselves known by?   
Nanner

Lucy, I asked that question for you about Hitlers soul on their Q & A Forum on www.jenseits-de.com site. I find it exceptionally well answered by Peter H. Kirchner and am thankful for the vivid insight.  ~Nanner~

Hawkeye (...did you once post at White Dove???) Justin can tell you much more about Cayce than I can but he really is interesting, particularly for his time frame.

Here is a web site devoted to his work:
http://www.edgarcayce.org/

Nanner wrote on Dec 18^th, 2007 at 6:16pm:

 

  It's probably different for different people.   Most consistently and on average, dreams are a major avenue for and of guidance.   

  For those who have practiced going within a lot in this and/or in other lives, then sometimes one gets more conscious messages, which can take the form of deep and sure feelings about something, unbidden visuals, streaming movie/dream sequences, symbols, sounds, words, a physical sensation, etc. 

   I've experienced all the above at one point or another. 

  Most of the time though, sometimes certain thoughts and/or feelings out of the blue can pop into one's head and/or heart.   

  I'll use a silly and recent personal example.   I've seen kids with those Heely shoes, where they can skate around just on their shoes.   I've thought to myself, "Man, that's so friqqin cool, i want to get a pair of those!"   

   But i didn't actively pursue it, and didn't even know if they had adult sizes.   So, this desire and intention went on what i call the "back burner" for awhile.   The other day though, i'd figured i visit a store that i hadn't been to in awhile, to pick up a couple of things.   

  Near to the store in the same shopping plaza, was a shoe store and one i don't remember seeing or noticing before.  Now, i'm not much of a shopper or consumer, and i had just bought myself a pair of cheap sneakers a little while before, so i wasn't looking for a regular new pair of shoes.   

  But for some reason, the impulsive feeling and thought came to me out of the blue, hey why don't you go visit that store?   I was like, ok i have a little time to kill right now.   So i went in, and in the store i noticed a pair of shoes on clearance, half off from their original price, and they were adult sized Heely's which fit.    Course i felt and thought, "whoo hoo the Universe provided!  Now i can skate around in stores like one of those little kids!" 
  Needless to say, i bought them. And i promptly began doing the former, and now people look at me as if i have 3 heads or something.
  Point being, normally i wouldn't have gone into that store under those conditions, but something, some aspect of self or guidance with more awareness than my conscious personality, beamed a thought/feeling strongly into my energy field, which inclined me to go into the store anyway.   

  Some have called it the still small voice.  It takes trust and receptivity to be able to listen to, hear, and follow that little nudging.   

  Now, some like my wife, tend to get more overt signs from their guidance.   When at The Gateway Voyage program at TMI, she asked to meet one of her guides.   As she got deeper in meditation, a powerful pressure or electromagnetic like wave of energy pushed through one end of her CHEC unit (she said it was like there was an earthquake), went through her and while it did she felt this electric, tingling, orgasmic type reactions, perceived or sensed a lot of powerful White Light type energy, and then went through to the other side of her CHEC unit.   

  She realized later on that her guidance had "waved" hi to her.   For her on her path, she has needed more overt, more physically oriented, and more "in your face" and bells and whistles type guidance messages.   Partly because, she tends to have more doubt and skepticism regarding stuff like the above as compared to some.  Plus, she kind of has a dramatic personality, and i guess stuff like that fits more with her expectations?

  I've noticed that for some especially for those who have been on the path for a long while and who have developed a lot of faith and trust, guidance can become ever more subtle in nature, on average.    One may still get some of the bells and whistle type experiences and messages, but more and more, one begins to just rely on a type of inner, feeling oriented intuition, though not a "gut" reaction as some say.   For me, its more like a combo of Heart and 3rd eye type perceiving or sensing.   A deep, inner intuitive knowingess which contains both feelings and thought patterns.       

Lucy wrote on Dec 18^th, 2007 at 9:13pm:


Yes I agree, go ahead and start a new thread on that if you like, I`ll definately be a part of it as it interests me a great deal.

Love for all,
Nanner

Hi! Dear Nanna,

You make some intelligent and telling points. there is a reason why god allowed Hitler to do what he did, but he was not forced to do and  he just like the rest of us is accountable for what we do with our lives while on earth, There is somewhere a collective human responsibility  war


You so very correct in saying there is a collective responsibility for the atrocities on both sides of that awful terrible war. However, there is a difference between accountability and resopnsibity.Resonsibilty can be delegated downwards to the lesser ranks but “accountability” never ever Remember Harry Truman’s famous saying, "The buck stops here" "That is accountability". Hitler started the war so he is “accountable” as Germanys then leader.

Of course, we all have a little Hitler in us, but we control it and don’t put into action. Looking at the grand order of things, you are right God allowed Hitler to do what he did for a reason that is beyond my comprehension.

As a full-blooded American German, you should know that Hitler was not a German but an Austrian. He was not allowed to vote in the German election that gave him power in Germany as he was a citizen of Germany.” Interesting".

Love

Alan