Old Dood:

What you call "a pissing contest" is merely my attempt to extract a reasoned account of the evidence of your possible grounds for Tim McVeigh's innocence and Hitler's alleged Puppet Masters.  You project that crude characterization onto my challenges because evidently that is all you are willing to offer yourself.  For example, you accuse me of name calling when I have called you no names.  Then you have the gall to contradict your supposed values and call me names.  Then you make a snide insinuation by implying that you know how I voted in the past two elections: "Don, answer me this...wbo did you vote for in the past two elections? Thought so."  That formulation implies that you know who I voted for, given the political stance you imagine for me.  When I burst your bubble and denied voting for George Bush either time, you act as if you made no such insinuation!   In the process you display a pettiness beyond belief.  My voting record has nothing to do with the issues under discussion.

In the several posts you have offered in reply to my original honest questions, you have never once addressed the requested evidence for Tim McVeigh's guilt or innocence or offered any evidence that Hitler was on the string of murky Puppet Masters.  You can only cite irrelevant googled articles with no demonstrable relevance to the history of the formation and rise of the Nazi party.  You know nothing about the history of the Mazi power grab (the roles of the Munich Putsch, Ernst Rohm, Hitler's "Mein Kampf"). You know nothing about the evolving relationship between Hilter and his financial backers.  Hitler used terror and the threat of terror to get his own way and seize power.  He arranged for the assassination of some of his most powerful backers, when he perceived their interest in power enhancement.  Your references to JFK's speech on secret societies and Woodrow Wilson's misgivings about the US Federal Reserve are irrelevant to the political situation in Germany in the 1920s and 1930s. 

[Dood:] "I have neither the time nor  the energy to feed your ego, Don."

Do you really believe that it feeds my ego to debate someone like you who doesn't even read relevant historical books on the subjects under discussion (the alleged Puppet Masters of Hilter; the question of whether Tim McVeigh is guilty).  No, I am trying to help you discover the joys of honest and open dialogue.  I come to this site to discuss afterlife issues, not crime and politics.  I am direct and confrontational with you because I believe that you actually might be capable of reasoned discourse.  I don't care what you think on these issues.  I care that you are indifferent to the need for direct investigation of the people involved and the forces that shaped them.  Until you are willing to do the relevant research, please do not respond to any threads I start.  I in turn will ignore your posts.

Don   

[Dood:] "You can push your agenda all you want.
I do not care.  Religious people like yourself always want to be RIGHT."
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My only agenda is to induce you to offer evidence in your own words (1) for the questionable nature of Tim McVeigh's guilt and (2) for your claim that Hitler was controlled by Puppet Masters far "more evil" than himself. Such nonsense evidently plays well in the New Age ghetto.  So take no solace from the mindless cultists here who, like yourself, see no reason to investigate the relevant historical sources.  It is precisely their atttiude that ensures that sites like this draw little attention from thinking people outside the ghetto.  I regret that.  Astral projection could gain respectability and the status of a serious acedemic discipline if is was infused with new life by an honest and open interdisciplinary inquiry from those who appreciate the need for maximal objectivity.  As I have repeatedly said, my own highly emotional OBEs and retrievals now seem clearly bogus in the light of what I now know by direct experience from the potential of lucid dreaming. 

"I have given plenty of evidence on Hitler...YOU made a choice not to accept it...fine."
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Not accept what?  Please explain in your own words who Hitler's Puppet Masters were and how you know this?  Your articles fail to do so.    

"Oh by the way...calling you a bully is not name calling. It is a FACT."
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So you are even imcapable of grasping the distinction between a value judgment (calling me a bully) and "a fact."  Oh, do you invite a juicy comeback here!  But I will restrain myself.

Don

"You call this a New Age Getto...then why are you here?"

I have been wondering that myself Dood. Just curious.

Personally the New Age theory seems to be the most positive alternative to the possible fate of the Earth and human race. I can't think of a theory that makes sense of a crazy world better than the New Age one.

Alternatives:

1. Earth destroyed, we all die
2. Final judgment such as in Abrahamic religions, most people burn in Hell for eternity or are Annihilated.
3. Aliens come and help us
4. New Age/ Golden Age of peace
5. Acension to 4d world, fear-based people shift to another planet

Which sounds the most fun to you? 3 - 5 could be all together!

Peace,

Pat

Don,

I am curious to see how you synthesize the Bible and astral travel. From my reading, the Bible teaches several different afterlife realms:

Kindgdom of Heaven
Kingdom of God
Gehenna (Gehenna-fire and Hell-fire same thing)
Hades (Translated as Hell)
Tartarus (Translated as Hell)
Outer Darkness
Bottomless Pit (would technically be a tube)

Thats all I can think of.

Pat

Once again Don you get it all wrong about me.  
You do not know me at all.
You are also not any more spiritual then I.
You are not anymore experienced then I.
You are not any better then I.
You are not any smarter then I.
You are not any wiser then I.

The difference between you an I is that I am honest.  With all my faults and I have many I will speak openly and honestly with people.
People know where they stand with me.
I will not candy coat. I will not BS people. I will not force any of my beliefs on to another person.
I plant a seed of thought and let them do with it as they will...or not.
I firmly believe in the sharing of Ideas.  My Ideas are not absolute.  
However, I like to share an Idea so others can add to that Idea in order to come up with a better Idea.  
Yes even you can add your Idea to the fray.

Also if you are going to Quote me then use the Quote Feature here.
Stop taking my words out of context.
That is just what 'Religious People' do.  
Take what ever they want out of the bible for example and make it 'fit' into their dogma and beliefs.

You want to know what I think...how/what I believe?

Right here: http://www.afterlife101.com/research2.html

Afterlife 101 is so good there should be a church built around it.  Just kidding!

It covers everything you wanted to know about life and death.

Pat

hawkeye wrote on Dec 24^th, 2007 at 6:20pm:

Well, in the 101 part you know who is who.
I see no problem with someone not wanting to be bothered/harrased/threatened/etc.
There are enough people out there still today that would cause physical harm to someone for 'saying' those things against 'God'.
Other words not following what ever bible that zealot believes in.
The people that channeled this info might have a family also they are protecting.
We do not know what their reasons are.
I do not get the 'feeling' they are hiding anything or are they being shady from my own perspective.

There is some real good info there. Eye-opening stuff.
It answers for me anyways why people are homosexual for example.
I am sick and tired of people harrasing homosexuals.
It is like they are still 'free game' out there.
I will always stand up for any homosexual's God Given/Universal Rights.
They are just as human and equal as everyone else.
Great neighbors too.