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Ginny's Retrieval of 2002
Nov 19^th, 2007 at 9:44pm

Posted by Ginny on January 05, 2002 at 12:27:23:

Hi Everyone,

After relaxing, doing my EGB exercise and filling with PUL, the idea to use heart intelligence came to me, and upon moving the intellect to the heart center I placed intent to meet up with a Helper and go wherever assistance was needed. A woman appeared to my right, surrounded in gold light and wearing a long white gown. I sensed it was now time, for a person she had been visiting, to leave an area of the afterlife...and I immediately felt "BST" come to me. I asked about her gown and got that she was "dressed for the part"--that it would play an important role in helping this person. Placing my hand on her left arm I then felt a mild sensation of movement. I sensed that there were other Helpers behind or around us but couldn't see them.

We then seemed to be floating over a countryside at night. Below was what appeared to be a kind of crude, stone hut or house with I guess a thatched roof. The sky was a deep blue, lots of stars. I then noticed some kind of light source off to my left and focused on several people holding burning torches, organized in a circle. I could feel the Helper indicate that we should move to that scene, which we did, coming to rest at ground level and a short distance from whatever was going on. I then saw a tall man in the center of the torch circle...and he was not having a nice evening. Those surrounding him were throwing accusations and questions at him, claiming he had "broken the rules". Although he appeared scared he was holding his own, answering that he no longer wanted to live where the others were residing. I asked the Helper what was going on and got that she had been visiting him, helping him to slowly work his way out of this "world". She had influenced him in building the stone house (which was a kind of violation there--"being alone" or solitude somehow compromised the very belief-fabric of that world), as well as encouraging him to realize that he no longer needed the beliefs there. I could feel she possessed a strong love for him, that they had been together in other realities. We continued watching and at one point I moved half way around the circle, becoming a little alarmed about how this would end. I communicated to the Helper that none of the people, including her friend, seemed to be aware of us. They were all intently focused on the "trial" going on and it felt as if their desire to return her friend to where he was suppose to be was working. I then got the idea to use PUL (duh!). The first blast seemed to disrupt their focus on her friend, causing several to turn and look around. More PUL created mayhem. I sensed yelling and confusion as the circle broke up...a few scattering out into the night. The Helper then approached her friend, who seemed exhausted and beaten down...but I watched his face as he seemed to then recognize her. I also got that he had never really known her true identity, and that her appearance was helping him to remember things pertinent to his freedom. A look of hope filled his eyes as she took his hands and I watched as they both began gliding up and away to my right.

I wanted to know what this belief system was all about...why people had been drawn to such a place, and in sensing other Helpers nearby I followed the torch people as they were heading off in a single file into the night. Wasn't long before we arrived before a tall mountain cliff to my left with what I initially thought to be a large cave entrance. I kept getting that it had been "manufactured" a long time ago, made by others (?). A rope ladder led up to the entrance, which was huge, perhaps 50 to 60 feet high and very wide, almost perfectly round....and people in shadow, hunched over, were moving quickly about. I saw towards the back of the cave a man sitting in what appeared to be a throne type of chair....a woman approached and sat near him...and got that they were in charge. People were grouped in lines, holding sacks of whatever over shoulders and across their backs. Others were scurrying around, intent on their duties...and there was a feel of fear everywhere. One did not question their role or duties here. The throne guy was quick tempered and quite the tyrant. I started to feel confused about what would draw people to such a place. I watched as so many seemed to be living a silent desperation. The more upset I became the more scrambled I felt...and all I got was that they felt a need to obey someone in charge in order to not have to think, be responsible. This didn't make one iota of sense to me. I started sending PUL to those shuffling forward in line, communicating to them that there were other worlds out there---this wasn't the only one and they certainly didn't have to believe a damn thing the tyrant was saying. I watched several of them become confused, their faces momentarily displaying shock. Some remained frozen to the spot, others started scattering and I could feel fear and anger coming from the direction of the throne. I then felt Helpers around me and I knew we were to move away from the entire scene. I was concerned that I had made it worse for those people, for having shared PUL in the cave, and was told it could only help.

The Helpers then gathered in front of me, about 5 golden humanoid beings, and I knew I needed to discharge some "stuff" I had picked up in the cave. I did this and felt much better. I then knew that by becoming upset at the plight of those slave people I had somehow opened up to the energies there.

Not wanting to return to waking consciousness yet, I asked the Helpers if they could take me to the Hall of Remembering. I wanted to learn more about and better undertsand its purpose. And after a sensation of movement found myself in front of the same building, wide cement walkways and grassy areas leading to the front entrance.

And I'll post Part 2 later today. Sorry----gotta take care of physical life, day-to-day stuff!!----

Part 2

Posted by Ginny on January 05, 2002 at 22:31:24:

As I walked into the Hall of Remembering I stopped in what must be the main lobby area and took a good look around.

Off to my right was a large open area where Harry had been doing some "studying". There were several booths or work stations running along one wall, each station partitioned off for privacy...and they seemed to be empty.

Ahead of me and across the lobby was a staircase that led up to a mezzanine area with large windows allowing light to flood the entire lower level.

Over to my left was a large circular desk and a wide hallway beyond.

I felt I was being escorted but never focused on who was with me. Just a gentle presence to my right, answering questions, showing me around. I was aware that others were busy about the place, apparently unconcerned with our tour. I stated that I was very interested in understanding more of what this place was all about.

We then moved beyond the circular, information desk and as we made our way along a wide hallway I saw people sitting in front of what appeared to be huge TV-like screens. I stopped to watch and got that they were either reviewing scenes from their physical lives, or watching--for lack of better understanding on my part--what appeared to be visual productions or scenes similar to "movies".....something that helped in the learning process there. As we continued the tour I also got that the Hall of Remembering was much more spacious than what I was currently perceiving: there were areas filled with books, lecture halls...anything and everything available to enable all who were drawn there to take the steps in remembering perhaps who and what they really were.

We then came to an entrance to a dark room and I was told that this was where people could "re-live" parts of a physical life...for better "understanding". Inside was a modern looking lounge chair (looked like hard plastic surrounding soft, cushiony material on the seat and high back). I got that when I had been with Harry at his work station he had been in the beginning stages of his "training"...and that he and others would then progress to other areas of learning, eventually arriving at this room well prepared to re-live anything important. My tour guide then extended an offer for me to give the chair a try and I didn't hesitate. It was really comfortable and seemed to almost encourage one to relax...which I did, and the guide then asked if I wanted to "re-live" something. It was my understanding at that point that I would be able to actually "be in" a scene of my choosing. Without giving it much thought I expressed an inability to understand how the slave people in the BST I had visited earlier could allow themselves to live in such tyranny: could I experience something that would help me to gain better understanding of why others would allow themselves to be treated and controlled in such an ugly, degrading way. I settled into the chair and the next thing I knew I was riding on the back of a galloping horse. It's mane was whipping across my face as I was hanging on for dear life. I was aware that it was me on a horse--- I didn't feel that I was someone else....and I felt completely out of control as the horse continued charging at full speed along what felt like a dirt road. I was scared and just barely hanging on...with a twinge of confusion going through me as to how this could relate to the slave people. Once that thought went through me I was back in the chair again, as if nothing had ever happened. I then felt a "knowing" sweep through me, an understanding (that unfortunately I now can't seem to completely bring back to my awareness) of the fact that possibly the slave people had experienced that level of fear somewhere along the line---upon death?---and that such totally consuming, heart pounding fear, coupled with a belief or desire to have someone, somewhere just take control of them (or their fear), was what led them to their present circumstances. I don't think I'm explaining this well, but when I received that "knowing" it made much better sense than it does now, trying to put it into words. I then asked the guide if this "re-living" exercise was similar to using State Specific Memory, and got back a yes, which felt like a loving warmth washing over me, and I wasn't sure whether I was the one who was pleased with this new understanding or the guide was! One or both of us was pleased with the results of the chair exercise.

And then the tour was apparently over because I was outside the building, in soft blackness, with a Helper nearby. I took a couple of seconds to orient myself to the sudden change, and then asked a question that has been on my mind for quite some time. I asked why my/our presence was needed in BST retrievals. The Helper offered a generous smile and communicated that there was much learning involved for us.....and then she said something very interesting: when involved in a BST retrieval and PUL is given to an individual, a "scrambling affect" occurs whereby the individual is momentarily suspended, mentally and emotionally...allowing Helpers to move in so to speak and grab their attention or surround them with love, etc.

And with that I got the impression that I had best get on back to waking consciousness, which I eventually did. I felt energized and full of even more wonder.

Thanks for listening and love to all,

Ginny

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Re: Another of Ginny's regarding Et
Reply #1 - Nov 19^th, 2007 at 10:06pm

another trip beyond
Posted by Ginny on December 08, 2001 at 14:41:37:

Hi everyone,

When I returned from this trip I initially wasn't even going to type it up because I had experienced everything from strong doubting to down right disappointment during the excursion...thinking I had gone on a wild fantasy ride (when anything new happens why do I always grab at the asumption that it's me making everything up?). And sorry for the lack of new information. I had not formed questions previously...only a wish to visit their "home". But as so often happens when coming back into waking consciousness, things hit me...qualities or new aspects of a journey make me wonder where they could have come from. So, here it is------

Once I went through my preparatory process and filling up with PUL, I decided to use State Specific Memory to get to the place I had last visited with the tall golden beings behind the translucent screen. I visualized those beings behind the screen and also brought to me the "feel" of when I was last there...and when it felt as if I had done this I opened my awareness (fully expecting to be where I had always stood before, perhaps 20-30 feet away from them) and found myself within inches of what looked like translucent, multi-colored, undulating glass! I had to look directly up to realize it was their screen (LOL---like, did I over do it on stating that specific memory?). A little startled I backed up a few feet and stopped, taking in the familiar scene, and then I was gliding effortlessly backwards (like being on a moving airport walk-way)....and it did not feel as if I had intended that. When I came to a stop, at where I had always stood before, I could see that no one was behind the screen. And then the golden beings were before me, outside of the screen, with their attention expectant and obviously upon me. In previous meetings they had appeared as tall, golden, thin humanoid shapes behind that screen...whereas now they were narrow, vertical bands of gold light with each end coming to a point. As I stated my desire to visit their "home", place of origin, I immediately knew that they were either already aware of this or got my stated desire and communicated back aggreement in a nano-second. Everything was happening so quickly.

We were then in a kind of contradictory state of motion. The beings and myself seemed to remain upright and stationary...and yet I could see unperceivable things whizzing by us and whenever I opened up a little to feel this situation, it felt like the disorientation I experience when on a carnival ride. I did this a few times because I thought this was extraordinary, and this was when I also started thinking it just couldn't be real. We at one point seemed to either slow down or change direction, but the zooming then resumed for another, say, 20 seconds. We were then moving at a leisurely pace through clouds, rays of light illuminating some of them, and I could see the gold beings to my right...looking like golden upright toothpicks, just cruising along. Ahead appeared a huge white ball nestled in clouds, its pearl-white surface visible from its equator up. It's surface seemed identical to the shield they had at one time felt a need to stand behind: liquid mother-of-pearl in motion is the only way I can describe it. I asked about the location of this place and got back that it was connected to the same universe earth was. This didn't help my confusion and feelings of disappointment at all because, if this was a physical place (planet?), they had told me they dealt with and lived in a nonphysical state, and this wasn't adding up at all. One of the beings (felt like a "he" but who knows) then communicated that what I was seeing didn't really exist. Oh great! As I was then wondering if this scene was for my benefit---me needing the reasurance of "something concrete", to feel at ease---we moved closer to the gigantic ball and an opening appeared. As we entered it was pitch black (I had no feel of being inside something, where the blackness started or ended, it seemed to go on forever) and I was then with one being only, and for some reason it felt female. "She" answered that they had decided to offer a "female" as the others had been "male" to my perception.

A conversation then ensued, one I have no conscious memory of ever having before because of it's fast nature: reminds me of Bob Monroe's description of delivering and receiving rotes...thought balls, where when opened by the recipient an idea, full knowledge with feelings and visuals, is experienced all at once. The interesting thing was that it felt normal to me and I apparently held up my end of that fast "conversation" as nothing had to be repeated (or so I remember).

Q---Who created this universe we both apparently reside in?

A---"It created itself". When she said this I experienced a strong feeling that I almost knew what she meant. I could feel as if I was on the verge of knowing completely where she was coming from, and I even brought that feeling to me again to see if I could fully realize it, but it didn't happen.

Q---About physical matter and their association with it--could she explain more?

A---They were familiar with a "less dense form of matter". They live and work more within a framework of "ideas....thought creating environment".

Q---What was it like living in a world of thought?..and for some reason I included the idea of pure unconditional love.

A---I got back the same visual they had shared before of PUL being like water rushing over and bringing life to a barren land. She then said that when PUL and thought were combined, life springs forth...creation of many kinds. I then had a visual image before me of what appeared to be a band of what she labeled as PUL, as well as another band of "thought". These two long bands, at first separated, began winding round each other like two snakes, eventually becoming one.

She then reminded me of the golden, swirling column of light I had taken a ride in at our last encounter, and she informed me that that column of light had actually been one of the beings behind the screen. One of them had simply projected themselves out to me and I had stepped into it's consciousness(!).

Q---What was their take on those of us experiencing physical matter... being so narrowly focused into it?

A---"To gather knowledge". She said that basically my disk--every disk--that has aspects of itself exploring dense physical world(s) were perhaps more knowledgeable than they were. We could be a jump ahead of them because of our willingness to explore in those regions.
Q---Were they interested in doing the same?

A---Ambivalent feeling came back to me, but it was something that would be left open for possible (but unlikely---lol!) consideration.

Q---Could she show me something, say or do something that I could see/experience now, to take back with me (I asked this more for myself, to be convinced that the experience was real)?

A---I then had a very clear, 3D visual of what appeared to be a long, vertical, transparent tubing of some kind, with a string of connected transparent balls inside, as well as other strings of smaller whitish and/or transparent objects I didn't get a good look at. These strings were moving slowly upward. Whatever this was didn't have colors...it just looked and felt incredibly "silver"....almost like what silver-white neon lighting would look like. I was fascinated and remember wondering what it was, but I was either not given an answer or can't remember one.

The next thing I knew I was aware of being back and feeling as if I had either dropped off to sleep or was just struggling to stay in the deeply relaxed state I found myself in.

Much love,

Ginny

Posted by Bruce Moen on December 10, 2001 at 07:14:02:

In Reply to: another trip beyond posted by Ginny on December 08, 2001 at 14:41:37:

Ginny,

Ain't exploration beyond Here a gas! And it seems like every time answers are found the lead to more questions. I'm so happy to see someone else following her curiosity into the Unknown and sharing what you find with others. I think there is something to that 100th monkey thing and in my view what you are doing is more than merely marking trails into Unknown territories that others can follow into their own experience. Sharing your experiences does seem to create links within consciousness that bring awareness to more of us on our own little islands of self.

I hope that folks will see in your sharing about using State Specific Memory to navigate within consciousness that it's an effective tool. And so simple really, just remembering the feeling of a place in consciousness and letting that memory guide you There.

Thanks again for sharing your experiences here, doubts and all. Doubt seems to be part of curiosity's drive to know.

Love,

Bruce

More about State Specific Memory from Ginny:
Bruce,

Thanks for your comments (they always mean a lot to me)...and one more thing about State Specific Memory. It seems I no longer have to be concerned about being able to remember information shared in such journeys. When I returned from this trip I knew a Q & A exchange had taken place but I had zero memory of its content. I sat on this experience for over 24 hours and only decided to type it out as certain characteristics of the journey felt to be "not of my making". When I was preparing to write it out the idea came to me to use State Specific Memory to recall the Q & A session......and I'll be go to hell if it didn't all start flooding back!!! I simply closed my eyes while sitting at the keyboard, visualized and *felt being there* with "her" during the session, and Bingo! I was also able to recall more of the journey that had apparently been tucked away in that area of consciousness.

Your workshops are so loaded with powerful "accessing afterlife tools" that I guess it just took me awhile to start using this one.....but hey----this is a beauty!!

Your friend and much love,

Gin

Posted by Bruce Moen on December 11, 2001 at 10:01:33:

In Reply to: Bruce...something cool about SSM posted by Ginny on December 10, 2001 at 07:54:13:

Ginny,

Yeah, now you know exactly the way I write about my experiences. I sit down at the keyboard with my few skimpy written notes, worried I won't be able to fill the chapter in the book I'm writing. I use SSM to shift myself back to the experience, and all the material comes flooding back in. Sometimes it's almost like re-entering the experience allows access to information I probably didn't get during the original experience. Finding the material "that had apparently been tucked away in that area of consciousness" as you put it so well.

Yeah, some much fun stuff to uncover!

Love,

Bruce

Posted by Ginny on December 11, 2001 at 11:46:56:

In Reply to: Re: Bruce...something cool about SSM posted by Bruce Moen on December 11, 2001 at 10:01:33:

Bruce!

Oh this is cool!

I could not understand how on earth you were ever able to remember everything--especially when venturing so far "out There"! Then I thought perhaps you went on several excursions and combined everything! Now I know and it's a remarkable tool, Bruce. I returned from that trip with, say, just a basic outline of what had occurred, which I'm sure contributed to my thinking it was a waste of time (LM*O). In using SSM while typing, it wasn't just purely the information coming to mind......I was reliving being there. As I was typing I seemed to be in a momentary pocket of the actual feel of being back there, which helped me to "know" the information was correct. Just like the knowing feeling that comes with remembering anything.

Thanks Bruce....and oh yea, it is a gas exploring! Now more than ever.

Love,

Gin

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Old Dood Senior Member Offline Posts: 448 Lansing Gender:	Re: Ginny's Retrieval of 2002 Reply #2 - Nov 20^th, 2007 at 8:16pm This is really cool! I didn't know you posted it until after I found this one in my own search. I can only find one other one by Ginny...are there anymore? Very addicting....
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LaffingRain Super Member Offline Choose this Day Posts: 5249 Arizona Gender:	Re: Ginny's Retrieval of 2002 Reply #3 - Nov 20^th, 2007 at 11:01pm go here Dood or at the top of home page you can see all sorts of pages to clickon this site, such as resources, and it's call the retrieval archives http://www.afterlife-knowledge.com/ret-arch
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Old Dood Senior Member Offline Posts: 448 Lansing Gender:	Re: Ginny's Retrieval of 2002 Reply #4 - Nov 21^st, 2007 at 3:36am Once again...Thank you!
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Old Dood Senior Member Offline Posts: 448 Lansing Gender:	Re: Ginny's Retrieval of 2002 Reply #5 - Nov 21^st, 2007 at 6:14am Ok...I have been reading them. I even read a few of yours Alysia. Pretty darn neat! I have a question to you 'experienced' travelers: Since people like Ginny are not here or active on this forum anymore can't you all find her/them while you are 'Out' and ask her/them where they been and all that? Just a thought...
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LaffingRain Super Member Offline Choose this Day Posts: 5249 Arizona Gender:	Re: Ginny's Retrieval of 2002 Reply #6 - Nov 21^st, 2007 at 9:16pm Ginny is an artist in the midwest Dood. Last I heard she painted animal pictures and markets them. shes a sweetheart but I don't really have a reason to find her. love, alysia
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Ehem.. New Member Offline Afterlife Knowledge Member Posts: 12	Re: Ginny's Retrieval of 2002 Reply #7 - Nov 23^rd, 2007 at 6:28pm She has waay more of her retrievels on astralpulse..look it up..
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