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What do you think should be done when someone dies
Nov 13th, 2007 at 6:15pm
 
Hello, I have not posted in a real longtime here and I apologize. I guess it sucks the only time that I came back to post was when something bad happened. I'm not here looking for anything but just some discussion. I'm feeling kinda messed up right now since the other day my friend died in a car accident.

I've been really meaning to get back into meditation and listening to hemi-sync's and all those things but life is crazy and it's so cold when something like this happens. I guess since I'm only 27 and my friend was 28, it's really the first time I've experienced it like this.

So anyway's, lately I'm sad, but at the same time I'm really...... scared. I've always felt this dread and emptiness. My beliefs I try to evolve and everything.

So anyhow again, I want to know what do you think should be done when someone passes?

I'm not really sure what the whole process is. I've read some books an articles but right now my mind is kinda scattered.

If I wanted to help him what would you suggest? Do you think it is possible?


Going back to my primal fear I guess of death and dying, what do you think happens to a person's consciousness?

I would fear the most of losing myself or my thoughts all those things.

Could I try to help my friend mantain, at his own free will if he wants, his consciousness?

I hope this is not to over the top. I've never have felt such a great change in my life, except when my daughter was born.

Anyways, thank you for reading!
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Re: What do you think should be done when someone
Reply #1 - Nov 13th, 2007 at 8:15pm
 
i don't think anything at all needs to be done.  ever read hello from heaven?  the visiting spirits prove that we don't lose anything after we die - not even our body, because we can take its form if we want.  and i don't see any reason why your friend would have any more trouble passing on or keeping consciousness than anyone else who passes on....

when you think about it, all the memorials and funerals us humans do are mostly for OUR benefit, because the real tragedy is to US, not the dead person who is still alive in peace.  we have funerals so we can come to terms with "yes, this person is truly dead" and move on, marking the transition with a ceremony. 

anyway it does seem they can hear us when we talk to them or think about them or pray for them...
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Reply #2 - Nov 14th, 2007 at 5:15pm
 
Hi Shedt-
As The Seeker put it, there is nothing that really needs to be done. This is kinda like asking what to do in the event your hair grows. It's just a natural process.

However, if you want to involve more, that's up to you. What we are told is most useful is PUL, forgiveness if appropriate, and prayers that express good will. Then if you want to go talk to your friend again, any regression method should be adequate. Bruce's "Book Five" is one place to start on that.

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Reply #3 - Nov 15th, 2007 at 10:26am
 
I agree.

I am told that most actually make it to where they are intended to be "over there" without intervention from here. The Course in Miracles says that "God''s angels hover near and all about..." and I know we are never really alone, not really.

It is natural to grieve. I lost my partner in March 2007 after a year or so battling liung cancer that had spread to her brain. She had asked me to delay my Lifelines program twice, and I pushed it back until May. I did not go there intending to "retrieve" her, but I did want to "check on her" as I told myself. It worked, and it was very healing. Now I find she is only a wisp away, with me all ways and always, just as she has been forever.

In Japan they cry when you are born, and celebrate when you die. Perhaps this ia s good model for us culturally. Looking around it is enough to make you cry sometimes.

It is the breathing out, and follows the breathing in a sure a night does day (wink).

Settle down and find him, and share with him your love and gratitude for knowing him in the physical world. Like Stephen Crane said, "It is bitter, but it is my heart..."

And he is just there, my firend, just beyond the Veil waiting to give your gift of love back to you. Take a moment to receive it.

Love and Light,

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Reply #4 - Nov 15th, 2007 at 11:25am
 
Hi Shedt. Don't worry about only thinking of this stuff when trouble strikes - that what it takes or has taken to get most of us moving. But use it as a wake up call - let it be the first day of the rest of your life of practice. Especially of meditation. Remembering that this can always be the last minute of your life.

As said I think by Don Juan in one of the Carlos Casteneda books - 'live life as though death is sitting on your left shoulder'.

Here's a nice website that describes the (Tibetan) Buddhist approach to dying. http://www.amitabhahospice.org/hospice/Buddhist_death.php They reckon the most important thing is to die in a wholesome (as in relaxed, loving etc and not angry, vengeful or whatever) mind state.

There's a strong emphasis on not moving the body for up to three days after death.

Phowa is the most important practice in Tibetan Budhism that we can use to help others to transition to the bardo states. (afterlife) http://www.spcare.org/practices/phowa.html

This stuff sounds quite Buddhist, but it's said the basic principles can be applied by anybody seeking to help another pass over smoothly.....
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Reply #5 - Nov 15th, 2007 at 11:34pm
 
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In Japan they cry when you are born, and celebrate when you die.


that makes more sense to me.  i think maybe humans invented "hell" in their minds because of ghastly events right here on earth.
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Reply #6 - Nov 16th, 2007 at 3:10am
 
Greetings Shedt,

I am sorry for your loss. It's only been a week or so, perhaps, and mourning may take longer than that. We all need more ways to honor passed friends.

If you 'dialogue' with him (imagining that you are talking together, including pausing to hear if he gives you a response), ask him if he's OK with where he's at. Since he died in an auto crash, he may not have had time to process that he he has passed, so you could help him with that.

Does your community allow those roadside shrines of wreaths or flowers put near the site?  If so do you think he'd like one? You could do that for him, and it might help his family feel better too when they drive by that area. Or just do something nice for them, something he'd appreciate.

You're a good friend to him to be looking into this further than the funeral. Smiley

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Reply #7 - Nov 17th, 2007 at 1:32am
 
you've gotten good advice Shedt, hang in, it's always rough when they leave us but makes us get our priorities in order..just one thing, when you sit and reflect on a loved one passed, I know you will think of the good times, the love shared, this love is a homing device they will be able to pick up your thoughts, and this love is what helps them to progress over there, so be in gratitude that there was love between you and him.

when you do this it helps you to get over the hurt also. love, alysia
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Reply #8 - Nov 18th, 2007 at 8:23pm
 
Thank you all for your replies. I just fly home today (or back to where I live)

It's really been a great experience. I feel more at peace myself, if that makes, sense. I feel like a roadblock that was inside me is gone, and now I can proceed with what I need to do. I will be posting more again here, but I will just lurk for a while. I am going to order Bruce's books and getting into the swing of things.

thanks again!
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