recoverer wrote on Nov 13th, 2007 at 5:38pm:Regarding what Ahso wrote below:
I wonder if Bruce got the below completely accurate. First of all, if the creator Bruce speaks of had developed enough intelligence to come up with a plan of exploration and create probes that could explore, it probably had enough intelligence to consider: "How can I get the probes to return to me?" It also would've known about PUL, and probably would've realized the importance of such a connection right from the start.
Well to begin, i'm definitely open to the possibility that Bruce misinterpreted some of what he perceived, after all, i wouldn't say that he is at Yeshua/Christ level in his life yet. But then again, neither are you or i, so i guess that leaves the blind leading the blind to some extent, no?
One of the reasons why i like and respect the Cayce material so much, is that it seems that Edgar's conscious beliefs and conscious egoic personality self, had so little overall 'interference' in his readings since he went into such a deep, deep state and his conscious self was so submerged (occasionally others energies did cause interference, but not that much that often). Cayce's source seems to hint that all Souls had a Oneness with Source in the beginning, but that there were some 'defecting factions' one could say, and some or many Souls decided to turn away from the Creator, and to try to become Creators in a more limited and self focussed way. Both Cayce's source and Rosie's guides seem to say that this led to the eventual manifesting of the physical as we know it--which was a densification and slowing down vibrational wise of the original nonphysical energies and consciousnesses.
Cayce's source is quite consistent in its message that there was a rebellion and rebelliousness that happened first in Spirit force. This doesn't mean that some beings all of a sudden became or were "Satanic" or "evil" in the extreme sense... It was probably much more subtle and/or more gradual than that. Kind of like ever gradually becoming less and less aware of one's Oneness with the Creator and Creation, more and more fear, which mirrored the greater and greater emphasis on self and self's wants, desires and abilities. As above, so below, Recoverer, this is the same pattern we see in a microcosmic way here.... its more than conceivable that this is following and resonating from a larger, macrocosmic pattern. From my studies into metaphysics, such micro-macro patterns are quite common.
Quote:There is also the factor of how when Bruce speaks of things such as the filaments that connect probes to source, he speaks in a linear space context. I figure that in truth everything exists within source, and a part could never become lost. A part could choose to not open itself up to the presence of source which is the same thing as not having an openess to PUL, but I don't believe that things are set up so source stops being aware of where a probe is.
I agree with the first part, does seem a bit overly linear or space/time oriented. Probably just put in a way so that more people could understand easier.
Quote:I figure things are set up so that each of us, whatever race, can find PUL in our own way. If we evolve so we don't, this is more a matter of how we have been influenced and the choices we make. After all, even if imperfect probes were created as the below states, what would cause them to be evil right from the start?
Well, either way, i don't see it as black or white. It could be that it is a blend or synthesis of these or more factors. Imperfection isn't necessarily evil. In fact, if Bruce or i are correct in this hypothesis, then this would take away any 'evil' factor...because to me, true evil is knowing better but still using one's freewill in a consistently negative manner. My earlier point was that it seems that some Sparks don't seem to know any better, or didn't from the get go. This doesn't mean that they can't eventually learn better, say by example... Sometimes i think Christ came here more for these than for anyone else... This kind of relates to the parable he used sometimes, about the Shepard and the flock of sheep, and the one or two sheep who when astray...well the Shepard is much more fulfilled by the saving of the one or two sheep gone astray, than by the rest of the flock who stayed to begin with.
Quote:I've found that I make contact with source when my vibrational rate increases. It is hard to figure that a probe would be created so it couldn't increase its vibrational rate in the required manner. If self determination is important, why would source create a probe that couldn't self determine itself into a higher vibrational rate?
For the first part who says that they couldn't potentially increase their vibrational rate...what is fairly certain, is that they have some measure of freewill, and other attributes of the Creator like curiosity, desire, etc.
Have you heard of Arch Angels before? According to some spiritual sources, these are beings or consciousnesses, which are in a sense like the laws or Archetypes of God and being so, they don't quite have the degree of Freewill that our Discs/Souls have... And these have always resided and operated from a more pure God consciousness--yet they are more limited than we are and can't know Source as completely as we potentially can..because we can become full Co-Creators with Source. Does all of creation have to be of one flavor, and all be like our Discs/Souls?
Why isn't it possible that the very Creator itself, had a certain amount of experimentation in the very beginning, when it first decided to move within itself and to create out from itself? Dunno, i certainly don't have all the answers, but i allow for that possibility. I guess to fully know the answers to these questions, one would have to be fully and completely in tune with the mind of Source.
Quote:There is also the factor--when you consider things according to Bruce's model--how the universe we experience today isn't the first universe to be created. The planning intelligence that created this universe used to exist as a disk in another universe, before it created this and other universes. The planning intelligence controlls the movement of beings from one universe to another. Therefore, if lost probes exist in other universes, the planning intelligence would have to arrange for lost probes to move into our universe. If the planning could interact with a lost probe in such a way, could one really say that it is lost? And couldn't planning intelligence interact with a probe in a manner that allowed it to work on it, so it would no longer be lost?
Dunno completely. Who says that this isn't the first Universe, as we understand it? My precept is that this Universe is the result of the merging of the P.I./Christ with Source. Before that, perhaps there was a much more raw, unorganized energy state, which only had the consciousnesses of the Sparks that Source manifested. Maybe there was a lot less to explore at that point, or rather it was less about exploring but more about creating...and the Christ in creating in a manner like Source itself and having so much PUL within it, through the law of resonation (like attracts and begets like) became fully conscious/aware of its Oneness with Source its Creator?
This of it this way for a moment, we here, as beings who are 'stuck' to various degrees...seem to most consistently think that life is about "exploring" mainly. Heck, the grass is always greener on the other side, and this is true for many people but just in different ways, degrees, and areas of life. Maybe we were never meant to be more passive explorers like that, maybe that's part of the problem, maybe we are meant to be more active Creators. Right now, we seem to be mostly in the business of exploring our own illusions and projections, either in a collective or individual sense (oft both, and these interweave).
Dunno ultimately, but i do know that while these questions are quite interesting in some respects, it all boils essentially down to mental/intellectual masturbation at the end of the day, and can be a distraction from the real work...which is living that which is life, light, and reality. Maybe we will only fully know the answers to these questions when we fully wake up...and maybe we won't care as much about the questions then anyways. I'm not saying that these questions don't have any importance at all...because after all, sometimes to over come or transcend something challenging or limiting you need to know the deeper nature of what one is facing. In a sense, it's like completely knowing and facing self so that one can regenerate that which needs to be regenerated.
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