Don:

First of all, I'll respond to your post before reading Dude's post. It'll be interesting to see if we come up with something similar.

Regarding how disk members can be one and many at the same time, I believe the same is true for every soul that exists. We are all many and one at the same time. We started as one and them became many without "truly" doing so. When a soul gets to the point where it doesn't want to shut other souls out for whatever reasons, it will be able to experience how we are one an many at the same time. This happens when we live completely according to love.

What about what Swedenborg says about how male and female spirits marry each other?  They merge as one, the female's intellect becomes inactive because the male's intellect takes over, and the male's volition becomes inactive, because the female's volition takes over. Are they one and separate at the same time? Perhaps I should not of used this example, because I find it hard to believe.  First of all, I don't believe that our spirits have male and female genders. If anything we have both masculine and feminine qualities, without physical gender traits having anything to do with it. When we reach a higher level of being, we are all one, and marriage as Swedenborg portrays doesn't seem necessary. Do women really have the fate of having to give up their intellects some day? Sounds kind of chauvanistic to me.

Swedenborg also talks about soul groups that are united as one as if they are one being. If I remember right, this is what he said Archangel Michael is about.  How can they be one and many at the same time?  

I believe it is a mistake to conclude who's information is more accurate according to how many verifications have been made. There are other factors. Some people aren't here in order to prove things to other people. They are here to take care of whatever spirit work they need to take care of. When it came to information I received about disks and such, it came in a way where it is hard to doubt. I figure the same is true for other people who have done the same. Our experiences don't get invalidated simply because Swedenborg didn't have the same experiences. Perhaps it wasn't appropriate for him to learn about disks. Perhaps people from his time period weren't ready for such information. Information was provided to him that people would accept. Because it wasn't appropriate to tell him about disks, he couldn't be told about reincarnation, because it couldn't be explained how precisely it works.

I say the above with the belief that when the spirit World tries to help us out, our limited belief systems present a problem. Therefore, they sometimes have to present information that doesn't represent the entire truth, whether they like it or not. They aren't at fault, we are.


Berserk2 wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 1:30am:

Albert-

It just seems to me that somewhere in the New Testament we would have had at least a hint about our true nature (assuming we are all multidimensional creatures).

I wonder if that concept was even in vogue during that time?

Have you read any of Michael Newton's books?  He also contends that when we incarnate, we take only a portion of our total energy with us.  Energy in this sense refers to our soul.  In other words, part of us is here, part stays behind.  And he also subscribes to the disk theory, altho he calls it soul clusters.

(You know, a lot of this is very close to the Seth material.)

Don

Keep in mind that ES lived during the 18th century. Human consciousness is constantly evolving.  We are closer to understanding the true nature of our existence now then we have ever been before.  I'm willing to bet that if ES lived in the 21st century, his perceptions of what he experienced would be quite different.

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Hilarious.  And very true.  It's funny mainly because the people back then, in their rather unadvanced state of consciousness, would not even be able to comprehend such a concept, let alone accept it as truth.

Don:

But what if the beings a person is in contact with, purposely present information to a person where it is clear that they are stating that the disk viewpoint is true in some way? When such information is received, it isn't a matter of interpretting a soul group experience in a false way.

In a way, there isn't much of a difference between the soul group viewpoint and the disk viewpoint. In each case, a being that is composed of numerous parts exists as if it is one being.  This larger being and its members learn from the lessons of selves that incarnate.  The bounderies that exist between different members are only as rigid as its members allow them to be. After all, we all started out from one being.

My feeling is that each soul can open to as much of the all as it allows itself to do so.  A part of allowing is letting go of the limitations that prevent it from doing so.

Regarding what people from Biblical times could understand, I don't know about this matter as well as you; nevertheless, I figure that if some of them were still doing things such as animal sacrifices, they probably didn't have a frame of mind that would allow them to accept the disk viewpoint. People from the time period believed the World was flat, the sun rotates around the earth, and God looks like a person. Perhaps I'm wrong about the later point. If they believed that God is a very vast being who isn't limited by our form based concepts, perhaps they believed that he could use his creative ability in any way he wants, including disk creation. If disks serve a functional purpose that serve the greater good, where is the problem?

Don said:  "(1) Spirits can impersonate and lie about both New Age and Christian perspectives."


Recoverer responds: "I believe the above is true. It is up to each of us to determine whether or not we are in contact with friendly spirits.  Below are some possible guidelines:

1. If you feel love, peace and a sense of divinity when you make contact with a spirit, then this spirit probably lives according to love and light. There have been numerous times when I have been in contact with a spirit, and the feeling I received by being in contact told me much more about its purity than my rational mind could figure out.

2. The spirit you communicate with understands that if you're going to grow, you'll have to figure a lot of things out for yourself. Therefore, it won't simply provide you with all kinds of information and tell you to believe this way. For the most part, the information it provides you with serves the purpose of facillitating spirituall growth. It'll help you become aware of the psychological issues that limit you.

3. Related to number 2, a friendly spirit might offer you perspectives on moral issues, but it will basically leave it up to you to decide what a moral way of living is about.  It will encourage you to listen to your heart and trust yourself. A friendly spirit will help you find out about your inner strength.

4. A friendly spirit will show that it is aware of virtues that an unfriendly spirit wouldn't be aware of. For example, an unfriendly spirit wouldn't be capable of helping you have experiences where through experience you learn about humility, reverence, grattitude and divine love.

5. A friendly spirit won't show any signs that it is looking out for its personal interests. If anything, it'll show that it has the greater good in mind. When it comes to the guidance I'm in contact with, it focuses its attention on helping me grow in love not only for my sake, but because it really does make a difference what kind of vibration we share with the rest of the World. The more each of us can share love, the more the state of affairs in this World will improve.

6. Eventually it will become clear that a friendly spirit tends to have more faith in you than you have in yourself.

7. I also receive advice about my diet, because when I eat in a way that serves my energetic needs, it improves my ability to provide the spirit help I provide.

The above isn't the result of what I've read, it is the result of what I've experienced.

I figure if a person has good intentions, he or she is more likely to make a connection to friendly spirits rather than unfriendly spirits. I believe we have a natural connection to friendly spirits, not unfriendly spirits.

By "total being" I mean the total amount of consciousness space/capacity in which a soul exists. Our physical existence is only a stream or small amount of the total consciousness that makes up the amount of consciousness that we truly are and/or have access to as our total self. This idea probably aligns most with Don's description of soul group "mind sharing" consciousness where there is no separation... distinction yes, separation no.

We are the consciousness of our total being and the physical experience is only a tiny consciousness stream extending out from our total being to experience the earth life consciousness system. We are never not our total being, it only seems that way because memory of this has been dimmed by the rules/laws of physical reality in which we perceive ourselves as separated from our total being.

The quality of the consciousness of our total being is reflected at what I call our core essence. The higher the quality the more love we radiate from the core essence, the lower the quality, the more fear and ego is reflected from the core essence. Hence all quality types exist. The "lower realms" are total beings (souls) whose core essence contains a lot of fear and ego. The "higher realms are total beings (souls) whose core essence contains a lot of love because they lack fear and ego.

The more fear and ego we let go of, the more our essence radiates love. This happens automatically because at the core we, even as a tiny stream of consciousness, carry the pattern (seed) of the larger consciousness system (God) that is a brilliant being of love. The less fear and ego we have, the more this pattern of brilliant love up wells and shines through us.

Kathy