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Preminition of sons death
Nov 1st, 2007 at 10:52pm
 
Hi guys,

My name is Tarja and I am new to your web site.  Ive written in about a couple of dreams Ive had since my 16 year old son died on 14 July this year . Id like to say thank you because your responses have given me lots of comfort.  I'm not really sure what question I'm even asking or where to start but I'm just going to ramble on and any thoughts would be appreciated.

Im 40 now but my whole life have had a few weird experiences. The worst and the weirdest is knowing something bad was going to happen to Timmie.  At the start of the year my husband and I had an amazing opportunity to move to Singapore, dream jobs dream life etc.  But the only obstacle was Tim didnt want to come. He and his girlfriend Jess had been together for 3 years at this stage and he worked fulltime for her dad. He loved his life here and his friends. Tim had already lived away from home for  a short time. So after long and painful thought we helped him move in with friends and we moved to Singapore.  I missed him incredibly ( I'd been a single mum with Tim for 6 years until I met my husband, we also have a 4 and 3 year old daughters)
So we are in Singapore living this amazing life and Im miserable,Im calling Tim all the time and he says he is fine loving his independance etc.  At Easter we decided to fly him over for a week , it was great but when he left, I started feeling scared that something was going to happen to him. I couldnt shake the feeling it was horrible.My husband would come home from work and Id be crying all the time.  Anyway finally I said to my husband we have to go back to Australia because something is wrong I dont know what but Im going back with or without you.  So we moved back.  Needless to say my husband was not happy, he would barely speak to me and everyone thought we were crazy for coming home.  Of course I didnt tell many people of my feelings I just said I missed Tim too much.  So we are home and I thought ok the feeling will pass now.  But it got worse- I was sure I was going insane.  Tim said he might move back in and I was really happy but then one of his friends moved into a unit and he decided to move in with him. So I kept going around with food doing washing etc.  Tim even said to me mum Im ok chill out.  The last time I saw him alive was on Thursday the 12 July I went around with dinner for him and his mate and we hugged I told him I loved him.  On Saturday night at 9.30pm He was riding a motorbike without a helmet on racing his other mate and got hit head on by one of his mates in a car and he died instantly.  At midnight the police knocked on our door and I knew instantly it was about Tim.  If anyone has any insight into this that would be great Im struggling with worrying that perhaps its my fault because I feared it so then did I create it. In hindsight through Tims whole life I remember always thinking Ive got to remember this moment so if something happens to him Ive got this memory etc.  I even took Timmie to disneyland when he was 8 just him and myself so that if anything happened in the future we would have that to remember.
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Reply #1 - Nov 2nd, 2007 at 1:35am
 
Tarja,

Welcome.

I am writing this response to you with two caveats: 1) I have not read your other posts on the dreams; 2)I do not want to give you an opinion as to what is going on, but to share an experience. I find experiences of any kind to be wrapped in cultural context, belief systems, etc., and so I would rather share an experience and what I drew from my experience. In this way, I feel that I will retain the essence of your question and give you something to consider than to believe.

I read the beginning of your post with much interest because it resonated with me. To my knowledge, I have not shared this experience on any site that I have visited, so I share it here for the first time.

As to weird experiences -- well, my friend, I can understand this and fully appreciate the experience(s) behind the statement.

Several months ago, I had a dream that my mother was going to die. It actually began during my meditation when I was shown a coffin with greenery (it looked like a blanket of ivy) across it. I instantly realized it was my mother's coffin. I ended my meditation at that point, because I didn't want to pursue it. What this meditation did was spark a feeling in me -- one of fear and despair that I would lose someone very precious too me. It kindled a desire to spend much time talking with her, being with her, appreciating her. We discovered later that she had cancer and that it was terminal.

The meditation was followed a few weeks later by a dream wherein my sister informed me that she had received our mother's death certificate. The dream ended rather abruptly, because I was startled by the innocence of it and the sudden significance. I also knew that I would be there when she died, whether I wanted to be or not. She had always told me that she did not want to die alone and I told her I would be there. Four months later, she died. I was at her bedside and I was devastated. The house had been full of people and they had left and then she had died with me standing by her bedside. Just before my brother left to return home, he was talking to her -- she was medicated so that she couldn't really speak clearly. I asked her if she could say goodbye by squeezing his hand -- something she and I developed as a code of comfort and understanding. It was odd at the time, because I never say "goodbye" but had always said "talk to later". Fifteen minutes after he and the others left, her breathing became shallow. My mother was not to be resucitated if she died. I knew that, all her requests and paperwork and conversations reflected that. So, I sat there, waiting, watching. When she stopped breathing, I was overwrought. There I sat, a child wanting to keeping their mother alive until help came; and this other person, keeping a promise to someone I loved.

I wondered what she saw, what she felt, how the transition occurred. Questions of the afterlife flooded my mind.
As faith would have it, there was an accident on the interstate which caused a delay in the arrival of medical personnel to the home by five hours. I stayed with her until they arrived. She was never alone for a moment.

Afterwards, my sister came into the house. Hospice had set up a bed in my mother's room. I was going to remove the sheets, etc., have the bed ready for removal. I told my sister that mother would have wanted it taken down. But at my sisters request, I remade the bed and on our way out, I closed the her closet door -- she always kept it slid open for some reason.

We walked into the kitchen and I called my second sister. As we were talking, there were three loud thumps on the wall opposite the kitchen -- which would have been my mother's room. I looked at my sister, who said "what was that?" and the dog, my mother's favorite pet, was going crazy in the hallway, barking at my mother's room. My sister on the phone asked what the dog was barking for and I told her we needed to go check on something.

We entered the living room and the dog ran passed my sister and out of the house. She looked at me. I walked down the hallway, took one step into the bedroom, then stepped back out. I called my sister to my side and she looked into the room, then looked back at me. The bed I had re-made was now undone with the air mattress (for pressure points) folded upward toward the head of the bed. I flipped on the light and I looked around the corner. The closet door had been slid back open. Oddly, I took a camera and asked if my mother was around to give me a sign. I snapped a few photos and there is one orb in the left hand side of the photo. Later, someone snapped a picture of me and there is one on the right side of my shoulder just above the ear.

A month after her death, her presence was still felt, perfume, etc.. I had an OBE and was walking around my house. I walked into the living room and as I passed by the sofa, I heard my name called. I turned and my mother was lying on the sofa. She beckoned me and I walked over to her and sat down on the edge of the sofa. Then, she took my hand in her hands, and I can STILL feel that. Our code, real or imagined at that moment, brought relief.

Now, this is really long-winded, and I am sorry. But I needed an illustration. You see, I think that the death of my mother was given to me so that I could fully appreciate the time I had left with her. I don't think I created the event, but that I created within my and around me the environment that allowed me to have access to that information. Because of this, I saw it as a gift, as were the conversations, the memories, the laughter, all that we shared before and up until the moment her physical body died. Many asked why I didn't try a healing meditation and often quite surprised when I tell them that my mother did not request any assistance. Besides, who was I to impose my will upon another? Who was I to determine why she was having this experience? Who was I to deny her? She did ask for help with pain, and that I did offer as per her request, her often telling me that her body was numb afterwards. For those of you known to TMI, I used the REBAL as she was dying to aid her and to comfort her like a blanket, by expanding mine until it enveloped her. Oddly, I think of it now as an energy womb that I housed her in, an odd analogy consider that she gave birth to me.

Also, as faith would have it, the death certificates were mailed inadvertantly to me, and my sister told me what they were when she opened them. Coincidences? Perhaps. Verifications and validations? Perhaps. For me? A wonderful experience I shall cherish always.

People tell me that I handled it quite smoothly. I remember that when asked about my grief, I would tell them: It only hurts in the silence between the heartbeats. [I have no clue where THAT line ever came from, but it's great nonetheless.]

Thank you for sharing your story.

With affection,
E.
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Reply #2 - Nov 2nd, 2007 at 1:50am
 
  Thank you for sharing Tarja.  I would also like to share with you an experience.   About two weeks before my mother (we were and are very close) ultimately died of cancer and more immediately died of liver failure and over toxicity, i had a dream where my mother and i were in the kitchen talking.  She seemed in good spirits, seemed well and healthy, and she told me simply this, "Justin i have to leave soon."  I remember waking up with the thought of, 'where too?", but i knew what she had meant when i became more fully conscious.  Up until that point, consciously i thought and wanted to believe that she would pull through and pull another "miracle" like she had some 4 years before when everyone and all the 'experts' thought she would quickly die, but she didn't and actually seemed to regain most of her former health for quite awhile. 


   The clue, and the important point in my sharing this, is in the good spirits, well and healthy part.  Let your heart not be overly troubled, for your son is so happy and he wants you to be likewise.

  Thank you
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Reply #3 - Nov 2nd, 2007 at 6:22pm
 
Thank you for telling your story Tarja. It must be very hard for you losing your son. I certainly hope you stop feeling somehow responsible for what happenned. That sounds very implausible to me,and you should not be so hard on yourself. You were a caring mum and showed him how much you loved him, which is great. It is funny about the premonitions. I am not qualified to say. It could just be you are a protective mum and were always very concerned about your son - this is especially understandable when it came to the difficult decision to move away leaving him at home in Australia - although he was fine with it, and it seemed for the best, you worried about him and felt a bit unsure if you had done the right thing. i think this is just the natural reaction of a caring mum. That you carried on being worried and protective about him after you came back might just be your nature (or maybe he gave you some reason to worry in his lifestyle?), and them by a sad accident/stroke of fate or meaningful (even pre-planned before your birth)  learning experience etc (depending on your belief system) he died, and you assumed you had had premonitions all along. It could be coincidence - I mean there must be over-protective/worrying mums whose sons go through life without major problems as well. or it could be that you had genuine premonitions about what would happen or even (as I said) at some level knew of what was going to happen because you, or he, agreed to it as some kind of learning experience before you came into this life (as some spiritual witers would suggest).

Anyway, as just one person to another, and not claiming to know how any of this stuff works, I hope you are coping with our loss and thank you again for sharing.

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oliver
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Reply #4 - Nov 2nd, 2007 at 6:27pm
 
orlando123 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2007 at 6:22pm:
Thank you for telling your story Tarja. It must be very hard for you losing your son. I certainly hope you stop feeling somehow responsible for what happenned. That sounds very implausible to me,and you should not be so hard on yourself. You were a caring mum and showed him how much you loved him, which is great. It is funny about the premonitions. I am not qualified to say. It could just be you are a protective mum and were always very concerned about your son - this is especially understandable when it came to the difficult decision to move away leaving him at home in Australia - although he was fine with it, and it seemed for the best, you worried about him and felt a bit unsure if you had done the right thing. i think this is just the natural reaction of a caring mum. That you carried on being worried and protective about him after you came back might just be your nature (or maybe he gave you some reason to worry in his lifestyle?), and them by a sad accident/stroke of fate or meaningful (even pre-planned before your birth)  learning experience etc (depending on your belief system) he died, and you assumed you had had premonitions all along. It could be coincidence - I mean there must be over-protective/worrying mums whose sons go through life without major problems as well. or it could be that you had genuine premonitions about what would happen or even (as I said) at some level knew of what was going to happen because you, or he, agreed to it as some kind of learning experience before you came into this life (as some spiritual witers would suggest).

Anyway, as just one person to another, and not claiming to know how any of this stuff works, I hope you are coping with our loss and thank you again for sharing.

love

oliver


ps to you guys who described losing your mothers, my love to you as well. I am close to mine and goodness know how I will fell when that day comes. But I guess life must go on and we have to adjust to everything eventually
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Reply #5 - Nov 5th, 2007 at 5:20pm
 
It seem that one of the best kept secrets is that we are actually all connected, one in our nature, and that nature transcendent. Thus, we seem to acquire and lose friends and loved ones, and having bought the big lie, that everyone is different and the world is only a big machine, we grieve.

Truly, I regret your losses - yet the advance awareness in every case literally screams out to us that there is vastly more than we are seeing.

It would be cruel to compare life to no more than climbing on the World Bus, riding for a while wth those we love, and then deciding to get off and leave them. We feel far more than that. Yet there is a certain similarity, in that we have been informed by our friends and loved ones that their stop is coming up, and to handle urgent business elsewhere, they'll have to disembark.

That doesn't mean that they are gone, but rather that they are out of reach. However, another bus will be along soon, and we can get on and be together again. Maybe next time we'll go to Disneyland. Fortunately, once in a while one of our departed loved ones phones home, drops in for a chat, or otherwise gets in touch. They're still around, just not the way they were before.

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Reply #6 - Nov 7th, 2007 at 12:03am
 
Hi guys,

thanks to everyone that has responded,it has helped a lot.  Its not so much that Timmie has left us here its just that I miss him- physically.  I miss the hugs and smiles Im going to miss his 18th, 21st, hes going to miss being around when his child is born etc His sisters miss him.  Thats what Im having trouble dealing with.  I want to be able to talk to him when I want to and not just in my dreams. I know Ive seen people that have passed before but I dont know how I did it, I know I get this shaky kind of feeling, like my heart is fluttering when I feel them around but I dont know how to take it to the next level, so I can see them when I want to.  My problem is fear I get so scared when I feel them that I tell them 'not now Im scared try another day" I dont understand why Im scared because if I open myself up I might get to talk to Tim but fear is fear and its not easy to take that next step.  If anyone has any ideas of why Im scared or how I can overcome the fear and also how do I take it to the next step please let me know.
cheers Tarja
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