Has anyone here who does OOBEs proved to themselves that they can go "out" of their body, by, for example, going to another location in the physical world and bringing back some information they could not have known, that they then verified? If not, isn't it more accurate to talk about something like "altered states of consciousness experience" rather then "out of body experience"" ? (I suppose even if you did this, it might turn out to be "remote-viewing" rather than literal travelling, but I'm not sure how you'd distinguish beteen them, - either way, concrete information retrieved in a verifiable way, would be impressive)

Regarding the term "Out of body experience", I would use it for all experiences of this kind, as feeling disconnected from the physical body, or at least disconnected from physical senses. Even when one sees things which have not happened that way in the physical, it's still an experience.

Yes Eternal Essence, interestingly, to have an OBE doesn't seem to be a key factor for getting verifications. These OBEs in which you "have" a body very similar to the physical body are appearing so "real" (but only because it's so similar to the physical, and that's what we used to call "real"), but they tend to produce surprising wrongs sometimes, while more dull and not-vivid impressions can turn out as accurate.

Spooky

orlando123 wrote on Oct 21^st, 2007 at 2:43pm:



good topic and responses..EE I always enjoy your contributions sooo much! so glad to see you here. Orlando, yes I've proven to myself certain knowings, but it took years of experience piled on top of more experience to prove anything to myself.

to view one's personal future cannot be called remote viewing exactly, unless time itself could be seen as a conveyer belt that one's awareness is riding on. I suppose that's possible. I see the two worlds as overlapping each other spatially. one is on top of the other so to speak, but one is vibrating very fast, like the blades of a fan; they are there, yet you cannot see the blades until you turn the fan off, then they slow down and we could call this C1. (waking, ordinary consciousness, focused only on physical matters.)
also as relating to nonphysical realities compared to the limitations of our physical sensory apparatus, how is it we harness electricity from out of the air? it is existent as energy although we don't see it, or hear it that often. we call it going "out" because of the factor of the awareness often feels like it is moving somewhere in transit and when it arrives at a destination, this is felt as normal, yet there is a knowing this is not the physical domain, and that is what makes this field of exploration so fascinating because u know you are involved in an adventure which is not ordinary and may make a discovery.
I use obes to find out who and what I am, but there are differences between obe and an altered state, and neither one is better than the other to have.

I like the way EE said creation of a 2nd body. we are capable of creating a 2nd body of awareness and in olden day (oh god I feel so old!!)  we called this vehicle an astral body. Astral material is emotional material, so in essence, it is your emotional body (my pov) which is operating outside the confines of the physical brain and it's bodily concerns and everyday duties.
your emotional body as a traveling conveyance also includes your desire body as the human here is always becoming more of itself.
that is who we are. we are curious beings, and with desires for becoming more of ourselves, thus the "going out" aspects of obe, yet it can be seen as a going within also.  some of my excursions to the future during traditional obes freaked me out a bit as I tried to understand why the future seemed set up to happen, a mundane circumstance 18 months ahead of me, already in place, all I had to do was show up. physically that is.

one such verification was driving around in a van I had not purchased yet, feeling the length of it, the smoothness, the unfamiliar handling of it, while sitting next to my guide whom I had asked for to buy this van. this was 6 months down the road. the guide told me people do this all the time. ask for assistance with the purchase of something. He then goes out and finds the seller for you, later you just see it and know its yours. I had all the same physical sensations of handling it as experienced in the dream, so I think the mind permeates the body cells and the two worlds sooner or later become as one world. it was shown to me there would be a problem with the cruise control and this happened also. they told me I had not been detailed enough to list what I wanted.. so a lesson for all of us...in creating your reality, details are important! 

In the astral areas I also discovered the inhabitants feel like solid flesh, to themselves, and when I touch them, they are solid flesh, although as a side note, when in the 2nd body I do not feel the effect of gravity. I glide instead of walk, but I'm aware of how graceful is our modes of travel when obe. it is very enjoyable to be out, however, I do not do it voluntarily, only when higher self determines I need to get out.

by the same token phasing can offer information to you, similar to remote viewing, yet you know you're sitting in your chair and are aware of your body that is being very quiet for you. then this verification must be compared with other experimenters as not made up. it shows our oneness in the collective mind.

Bruce has some great experiences of having more than one body of awareness, he does not do traditional obe, but they are quite satisfying what he does, from what I gather..PUL is a major factor in his explorations. same here!

love, alysia

Hi Orlando,

The most practical confirmation of being OB that I've had was when I was commissioned to draw a courthouse but I could not understand the complex roofline. So i went up OB and looked at it from above (unfortunately at night, because i didn't know such low level OBEs were in real time.) But in the moonlight (?--I guess) I found the structures that explained the problem and therefore could draw it more convincingly.
Someone whose family had worked there for generations then confirmed the partially hidden structures, but i wouldn't have understood unless I had seen them.

Bets

Coming up with verifiable information while out of body is quite a difficult thing to do.  These days I would consider myself a seasoned OBEr, yet I have no verifications to provide to you.  This is mainly due to the complex fluid nature of the higher dimensions, or the out of body environment.  Just like our thoughts manifest here in the physical dimension(the secret!!!), our thoughts manifest in higher dimensions as well, only infinity times faster.  It doesnt take more than a few seconds to create somthing you think of while in the higher dimensions.  I believe this creative power increases dramatically the higher up you go on the dimensional level, the closer you come to the level of the One consciousness.

Say you want to make a test.  You take a random card out of a deck and tape it to your window, facing outside, so you cant see it.  It is possible to leave your body, fly outside, and see the card taped to your window(as long as you project to the real time zone and not a higher astral level).  The problem with this is what I stated above... the fluid nature of the OBE environment and the power of your mind.  If you try to guess what the card is before you see it, even you subconsiously guess what it will be, then chances are you will see the card you tried to guess.

The only proof I have is for myself.  Once I free myself from my body, I never even think about trying to verify the experience to myself.  It is like trying to verify to myself that I am typing on the computer right now.  I am here doing it, it would be silly to think that I am not, or that the experience is not real.  The same goes with an out of body experience.  Sure, it is reasonable to question your first few experiences.  But eventually you will come to terms with your experiences and take them for what they really are-REALITY!!!  Every time I have looked at my bed after leaving my body, I see my physical body sleeping there, and I always find myself waking up in the same position I saw my body in before.  That is one of the main reasons it is called out of body experience... because your reference point of consciousness at the time is outside of your physical body.

You are right, it would be accurate to call OBEs "altered states of consciousness experiences."  Just as it is accurate to give this lable to meditation, retrievals, lucid dreams, remote viewing, and dreams... heck, even daydreams.  But these are all different types of altered states, each one different from the rest.  

You can even say that remote viewing is a type of out of body experience.  Both involve your consiousness travelling to remote areas away from your physical body, away from the physical dimension.  I believe that the only difference here is that R.V.ing is a type of lower-powered experience, possible one of slightly less awareness, where you are not aware of having any type of energy body, compared to OBEs.  For example, I have had some expereinces which start out as R.V.ing... no conscious exit from my body, but simply my nonphysical sight roaming outside of the confines of the physical.  During a couple of these experiences, however, I began recieving large amounts of engery from my etheric body(base energy body connected to the physical body), upon which turned the experience into an OBE, giving me much stronger awareness as well as awareness of my energy body.  

In closing... have an out of body experience for yourself.  In fact, have 1000 of them.  You will find much more satisfying answers through experience rather than discussion of theories and evidence.  There are always two sides of every story, and of every experience.  The side you take depends on how open minded you are, and taking everything you hear with a grain of salt until you actually experience its truth for yourself-which leads to the most important part-being willing to take some action to find your own answers through personal experience.

Hi Oliver, yes reading certainly helps. one other thing I'd add to Dude's great point to have yourself an experience is to build the desire towards that.
and reading does build a desire when you can get into another's description and experiences to become curious.

I can give you one more experience of being in another location and only realizing the import of it after I returned.

is the reason I like PE. verification with your partner brings it home to you what has been accomplished within reality, within C1 area.

ok, we set up a time and day to be doing a PE, she's about 18 hours ahead of me in the states and we thought this was important to have this timely appointment. This was phasing I'd call it, but it's very similar to remote viewing, although with remote viewing I had no emotions nor emotional energy body as I did with Lyn.

I used Bruce's method to first relax, take deep breaths and start off the experiment with the imagination that I would be there, and to picture myself there in her room. I felt a brief bit of travel of wind and then I saw her foggy outline near me. I saw the shape of her body without trying to see it, she's a tall woman and I had forgotten she was but it was hazy still, so the mind can play tricks and say "this is not real!"
I learned, again thru Bruce's material to "play along" as if it is real. So even though it did not appear 3 dimensional and was wispy, like I could see "thru her body" I decided to play along as if it were real each time I was doubting my success to be there.

phasing is to be aware that you are in another location, but you are still aware of your physical body. often I am aware of my energy is crowded to my forehead also while I am doing this, and I have to shift back to the focus on Lyn then, so it's like dual consciousness.
I saw her looking around for me and I hid from her, just watching her, I was playing a little game it seemed. then something jarred my nervous system rather badly and Lyn turned on her heel saying she had to go suddenly; I noted an agitation in her energy field extended itself over to my field, as the jarring motion.

I opened my eyes wondering what that was all about, perplexed and still slightly feeling the reverberations of being cut off from her so suddenly.

the next day she emailed me the phone had jarred her unexpectedly just at the important time of our PE! She apologized, but actually it was a fine PE with the verification I needed that I was in Lyn's room, at the least, I was in her house of consciousness and feeling her feelings and thoughts.

hope u got something out of this. keep reading and sharing here, I'm sure you will one day be doing some of this stuff! love, alysia