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Reply #75 - Jun 18th, 2008 at 12:03am
 
U said; I believe that I may be harnessing advanced abilities or new abilities during sleep, while in nonphysical dimensions.
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I feel this is correct, only because I'm aware I'm doing the same thing at night.
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the reason I called it pioneering, is because Monroe could be said to be a pioneer for sure, and then Bruce followed. of course we can include Buhlman and some other obers who wrote about it. I think anytime someone writes about it, it's making it more clear for others, even if the interpretations are varied or conflicting with each other, still, it's a new field for most folks, so I call it pioneering in that sense.
as everybody knows, when the first pioneers crossed the country to get to a new land,most of them died along the way from the hardships. so it's not like a pioneer should be applauded, but they had to be either 1) foolhardy or 2) courageous.

so I like the way you make your inner life public is all. I'm sure many benefit from your explorations.
I always take a risk here myself to be using too many adjectives and accused of coddling you.

crap. we will be the misunderstood ones and thats just the way the cookie crumbles. thanks Bruce, at least we can jabber on this board..and may reveal some secrets long kept.
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Reply #76 - Jun 19th, 2008 at 1:26pm
 
JOURNAL ENTRY 62

I have recently begun to perform exercises to aid in the expansion of my consciousness.  These exercises are given in Seth's books, the ones I am using now come from The Unknown Reality.  These exercises are designed to allow you to become accustomed to experiencing some of the other levels of reality which are normally blocked off from our normal waking consciousness. 

The exercise I practiced yesterday has two parts.  The idea is to first totally engulf yourself in your physical reality.  Try to become as aware as possible of your environment and your relationship in it, by analyzing the things around you.  Pay attention to each sound and determine where it is coming from, allow everything you see to enter your consciousness, feel your body sensations as they come in contact with the world around you.  Then, when you are at a level of highest awareness, allow your consciosuness to stray.  Let it go off in one particular direction.  It should be allowed to drift as far away from normal physical consciousness as possible.  Feedback such as visuals or feelings or sounds should enter your consciousness from other levels of focus.  As this is practiced more, you will become more and more accustomed to experiencing your consciousness in a different way, in different dimensions.  Basically, the idea is to learn to recognize your point of clearest conscious focus in the physical, so you can in turn recognize when your consciousness is off focus as well, or focused somewhere else.

I have just begun practicing this exercise.  As I drifted away from my normal state of consciousness ( I chose to move off to the left ), I faintly percieved another area of consciousness.  As I drifted, I became aware of having a sort of energy body.  I saw this body more than I was able to feel being inside of it.  I also percieved the environment, although I couldnt make out anything clearly.  I could definately tell I was moving though.  I began to feel as if I really were somewhere else.  It was a very strange feeling.  There was an aspect of duality in this feeling.  However, it also felt like something totally new, I couldn't put my finger on it. 

I was doing this at work, and would do it a few times during two two-hour periods.  To my amazement, the time flew by rediculously fast.  My perception of time was altered from this exercise.  Two hours felt like about half an hour.  This, to me, was amazing, for it was real.  I know what these two hour periods feel like, for I have been working at the two-hour post for a while now.  This is definately something I am going to continue.   
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Reply #77 - Jun 19th, 2008 at 10:02pm
 
I've practiced something similar Dude. something about getting in the present moment, frees one from the bondage of clock time. makes concentration and focus better.

I believe I picked this up from Elias, the guy who came after Seth. more psychology was offered in Elias.
Every few moments of the day ask what you are thinking or feeling. just to be aware, maybe this increases awareness, which spills over into out of body adventures as well. after some practice, days, or weeks, the opened awareness becomes habitual and you don't have to ask yourself what you are feeling or thinking. it's sort of a wake up exercise but definetely helps the energy body that goes obe.
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Reply #78 - Jun 20th, 2008 at 3:54am
 
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Last night I was in a particularly expanded state of consciousness.  I was walking towards a window, and in the glass I could see my reflection.  Suddenly an idea came into my consciousness.  I began to ponder the reality of my reflection.  I thought, what is it like to be my reflection?  I understand that everything is consciousness, and because consciousness is always conscious of itself in its own way, I realized that my reflection must have a reality of its own.

I suddenly seemed to focus into this reality.  I was in a dark space, in front of me was a window which I could see through.  On the other side of the window was the environment I was in when I saw my reflection.(I was still seeing my reflection, although now this aspect of my consciousness was out of focus)  I was my reflection.  I understood that the reason for my existence was to do whatever my human counterpart did while in front of a reflective surface.  I was in a state of happiness and even slight excitement, for I knew my purpose and was content doing it.  This state soon faded and I was back to normal.  This was a very odd, and awsome experience.

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Reply #79 - Jun 20th, 2008 at 2:28pm
 
thats great description of your obe Dude. I can totally relate. these experiences are mind expanding, especially the happy feeling of self discovery is prominent.
along with that a wish to share with others who and what we are, or can be.

this you've told us, using a  mirror as symbol, reminds me of a holographic universe, spinning off aspects of itself..I can only share another obe like experience as reference point.

I was looking for my lost dog once in obe. I just knew if I looked long enough I could find her Out There.
I came upon her, she was in somebody's locked in porch area. I sensed she was ok. I wanted to know if she missed me, as I missed her. a guide said to look into her eyes. I became a camera lens on full zoom feature up close. As I looked into her huge brown orbs I found that I was my dog. she had my personality in her, my own unconditional love had fed her life source.

She was ok, because we were one. that's what I got out of that experience, that it was a little holographic, although she had a little body all to herself, she was an aspect of me. and if I was fine, she was fine too.

the windows we look out of, frequently these are like portals in time to pass through, or a window of opportunity even, but like looking at the future happenings. one time I crawled out a window in order to cross a bridge. like focus 21, I believe is the portal between how we see the after life area as a nonphysical dimension, a crossing point where we leave all doubts behind that this is real.

as well both realities are real.  anyhoo, cool description, you have a good grasp of the english language which makes you understandable.
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Reply #80 - Jun 25th, 2008 at 1:10pm
 
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Last night a series of syncronicities occured which further proved to myself my beliefs of the reality of the dream state and its intimate connection with the waking state.

Last night I received a message from a guy who works with my wife(and obviously thought my cell phone was hers), saying that he wants to pick up thursday or friday.  However, I read this wrong, and thought he said he wanted to pick [i]her[u] up thursday or friday.  I was devistated, thinking he and my wife made plans to go out behind my back.  To investigate this further and see what he wanted to do with my wife, I asked, what do you want to do?  He said, its your call, then he said somthing about their boss which was irrelevant and rather odd.  Then he said something else to even add to the irrelevancy, having to do with their schedule at work.  It didn't matter to me.  By this time, I was having physical symptoms due to my new mental state of shock and heartache. 

However, I received a final message from him.  It said, just let me know if you want me to work thursday or friday for you.  I said, wait... and looked at the first message.  I then realized he wanted to pick up her days at work, not her herself.  I was extremely relieved.

About a minute later I had an amazing realization.  The night before I had a dream that I found out that my wife was going out and having dinner with a guy behind my back. 

Now, one would think, well your dream didn't predict anything because your wife wasn't actually going out with this other guy.  However, in my reality, for that brief and emotionally intense period of time, this was a reality in my eyes.  I mentally and emotionally experienced what it was like for this to happen, even though it was not a fact in physical reality.  Therefore, whether this event was a fact in this reality is irrelevant, for I still experienced it's reality.  The correlation with this event and my dream is uncanny.  Even the time of day she was would have gone out matches with the dream.

During my dream I experienced a probable reality in which my wife was going out with another guy.  The next day, I experienced this same probable reality, only it was temporary.  The reality then changed to another probable one, in which I realized it was actually a misunderstanding on my part and this wasn't happening.  It seems like the dream state is a nonphysical level where probable future realities are experienced in a nonphysical way and manifested into the physical reality later in time.  This is not nearly my first experience in which this occurred, and each one further solidifies my ideas of what dreams really are. 


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Reply #81 - Jun 25th, 2008 at 2:21pm
 
Dude:

Perhaps a simpler explanation is that the dream served a purpose of showing you a concern you have, so you'll seek to clear it up.

I've had dreams which suggested something bad is happening, when nothing bad was happening.  The dreams served a purpose even though they didn't correspond to physical reality, because the worrisome part of my mind was nevertheless troubled.  Perhaps what you experienced is a strong way of letting you know that you don't need to be concerned about infidelity.

I wouldn't go too far with the parallel universe business. If you really think about it such a viewpoint doesn't add up. We have much more control over our destiny.  It isn't a matter of every single possibility "having" to manifest in some way.
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Reply #82 - Jun 25th, 2008 at 2:38pm
 
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That is a very logical explanation, and basic, like you said.  However, it feels too basic for me.   There is obviously a strong relationship between the dreaming state and the physical state, for there have been too many syncronicities for this not to be so.  They key here is to try to understand this relationship, and grasp what is actually occurring during these higher levels of consciousness. 

You said the dream showed me a concern I have, and this will lead me to solve my issue.  However, this dream literally manifested in my physical reality to a certain degree.  Your explanation does not touch on this most important aspect of the situation.  We need to understand the mechanics of this manifestation, even if it is a very basic understanding.  This will lead us to the true understanding of what occurs during the dream state.

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Reply #83 - Jun 25th, 2008 at 3:33pm
 
Dude:

Perhaps this relates, sometimes I'll have dreams where I become conscious that I'm dreaming and either I'll interact accordingly or will myself to wake up. It seems as if this happens partly with the hope that I'll apply the same kind of intent to this physical World.

Regarding the parallel universe business going too far, this would mean that there are an infinite number of universes in which a satan like being not only exists but rules. It would also mean that there are an infinite number of universes in which spirits burn in a firey hell for all of eternity. Each universe would be a little different. In one universe satan would be red and not wear a hat. In another universe satan would be red and wear a pink hat. In another universe satan would be red and wear a blue hat, and so on and so on. I know this sounds ridiculous.  Hopefully it makes the point that the creative aspect of our being doesn't spin off in limiteless number of ways beyond our control simply so the parallel universe viewpoint can be acknowledged. This viewpoint is believed in by a fraction of the quantum mechanics community, and perhaps some channeled sources used such a way of thinking in order to have something to say.
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Reply #84 - Jun 25th, 2008 at 4:05pm
 
Hi OutOfBodyDude,

I have been lurking here and reading your journals. I had registered, then lost the password. Now I have re-registered here so I can participate in the forums.

Thank you for such detailed journals. These are especially cool for me to read because I have started my own Gateway Experience CD's. 

Are you still using the Gateway CD's?

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Reply #85 - Jun 25th, 2008 at 10:18pm
 
I've just read the "Reality Transurfing" books by Vadim Zeland, and he has the same theory Dude has, that in dreams you make journeys into alternate realities, in Zeland's theory there are infinite alternate realities, but only some are manifested in physical matter.

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Reply #86 - Jun 26th, 2008 at 1:51am
 
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I don't feel I am overdoing it.  I am just beginning to explore this concept.  When your dreams begin to manifest in the physical reality, it is important to know why, and perhaps then begin to take control of this ability/mechanism to further create your ideal reality.  That is all I am doing.

In doing sufficient research on this topic, I feel that maybe you are overdoing it with your interpretation of the parallel universe concept.  The keys behind this idea are experience and choice.  The idea is that everything possible to experience is experienced, each infinite variation in its own dimension of reality.  Every possible choice is therefore explored, and different choices obviously lead to different experiences, and therefore a slightly(or extremely) different world.  

However, these parallel worlds also exists in universes which follow certain fundamental laws, and a parallel earth will exist in a parallel universe, and while events will always be different, in this system the fundamental physical laws remain the same, as they will in parallel earths.  No thought pattern could ever lead to the creation of a Satan being in the physical, this would not follow the basic physical laws.  This being may be encountered in another level of consciousness, a nonphysical one.    

I am not claiming to have all of the answers regarding this theory, for I have just begun to explore its dimensions.  However, I am most certainly not going to disregard it as a possibility, especially since my experience has shown that at least one aspect of this idea is most likely true.  If you agree that the universe is infinite, and that our existence is infinite, and that there is more than one dimension of reality, then this idea should at least be entertained and explored before it is discarded.  

Is it so amazingly "out there" that in other levels of reality we experience every possible choice and thought during a physical life?This would indeed make an experience in the physical earth system more beneficial and practical, wouldnt you think?
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Reply #87 - Jun 26th, 2008 at 12:47pm
 
Dude:

I wrote the overdoing thing not so much with you in mind, but because I've seen of other cases where people would believe things such as in another universe Adolph Hitler won the war, because of what a channeled source says. 

There are some differences between the dream world and physical world.

1. The dream worlds we experience dissapear when we wake up and our life in such a World comes to an end without having to complete anything.  The physical World we experience not only exists for us, it exists for many other people plus other beings. Even if we woke up to what the physical World really is, we'll still need to take care of whatever our role within it is.

2. Energy is used in the physical World differently than it is used in the spirit world. In the physical world molecules, atoms and sub-atomic particles are a part of the game. As far as I can tell, energy arranged in such a matter isn't a part of a dream world.

3. Our physical life continues from day to day, even though we have nightly breaks from it. This isn't true for our dream worlds.

4. The physical World was created long before we started to take part in it. This isn't true for our dream worlds.

5. Similar to number 1, this physical World would exist regardless of whether we exist. This isn't true of our dream worlds.

6. Our dream worlds are created by our higher selfs or some part of ourself, while the physical World is created by various levels of being for a prolonged period of time.

7. Dream worlds tend to be symbolic and abstract, while the physical world isn't. 

8. Except for a sentence or two, conversations in a dream tend to be a matter of knowing what was communicated, rather prolonged conversations taking place.

9. Inconsistencies are much more easily recognized during physical life, than they are during a dream. For example, in a dream you could have a conversation with a deceased or famous person as if it was an ordinary event.
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Reply #88 - Jun 26th, 2008 at 1:55pm
 
I feel your interpretation of the dream world is limited. 

During sleep we drift into nonphysical levels of reality.  These experiences are translated into physical-ness, as dreams.

These levels have always existed and will always exist so long as consciousness is infinite. 

These realities do not simply dissapear just because we are not focused in them, just as the physical world does not dissapear when we sleep and our consciousness focuses into other levels of reality.  They will always exists, and a part of our consciousness will always be a part of these other levels.  It is simply a matter of focus.

I believe we do have activity in these nonphysical realms even when we are physically oriented during the day.  It makes perfect sense when you think of our higher selves.  They are always in these nonphysical realms.  It is quite easy for me to access these levels while awake, however my perception of them is different due to the different mechanism I am using at that time to access these levels.  They may come through as a visualization, daydream, or intuitional thought.  That is where intuition comes from- the nonphysical levels we simultaneously exist in.  Nevertheless, I can tune into these nonphysical realms to a certain degree while awake, just as everyone can although they may not realize what is actually happening, and therefore we must exist in them to some degree while physically awake.

I am actually surprised that you believe the physical world is more real than the nonphysical dimensions.  You must look past the illusion of time and realize that all levels of existence are simultaneously being experienced, and therefore at a higher level none came first and none came last.  They just exist.  To be honest with you, if you look at it from the illusion of time, you are wrong.  Our physical world comes from these higher nonphysical realms.  Where do you think our unlimited energy comes from???  The nonphysical comes before the physical in a linear way of thinking.

You are right that experience in the physical is much different from experience in the nonphysical.  However, that does not mean one is more real than the other.  My personal experience has proven this so. 


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Reply #89 - Jun 26th, 2008 at 2:40pm
 
My experience is that dreams are created for short term learning purposes, while the physical World is created for long term learning purposes. In the dream world other beings don't need to be involved.  For example, I don't believe that Hillary Clinton actually visited and admonished me the other night in a dream where I found myself in the white house.

There are many beings who don't incarnate into a physical World. They believe that a physical lifetime is too dense and intense, and can't be separated from in the manner that a short term astral experience can be seperated from. Once you're in a physical lifetime you are basically stuck in it until it is over.

I believe that the energy that is used to create dreams and the physical World is the same, however, it is used differently. In the dream state we can easily cause energy to take on the form we want it to take. This isn't true for the physical World. In the end it was found that not even Uri Geller was able to make spoons bend simply by using his thought.  The physical World was purposely created by higher levels of beings so it could be experienced as a World that isn't easily transformed by thought.

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