Hi Dude

  Did you felt those state?

I guess those abbreviations are expressed through your own mental matrix structure and have much more signification to you than others here.  Maybe it can help you to remember details from those state.  What came to your mind first when you see H4 , F6 or J5?

Hi Dude, I feel that the letters and numbers will lead to something later..I think it was a preliminary lesson plan, much like Monroe did with the listing of focus levels and those numbered sequence.

I can share I am most likely to receive psychological concepts of states of consciousness, such as first I would receive "3 states of consciousness."
1) the seeker
2) the finder

3) TheObserver



hehehehe...I just found out how to do something fancy..

I was just thinking lately Dude, of the two hemispheres of the brain, and how they might be related, the split in consciousness, between the Sub areas and the conscious areas and how hemisync brings these two parts into alignment. I have a feeling about you, that you are going to help us get a better handle on this Obe business, and that your grandfather is working with you on it.

I often wonder what it would be like if everything were conscious knowledge and there was nothing in the subconscious because it all came to the front and this is likened to our unlimited consciousness access.

anyhoo, these studies are very important. I've been studying out of body almost my whole life. It really is a pioneering venture. love, alysia

I've always wanted to go check out planets and moons Dude. never got around to it, but it's on the menu I'm sure. I think if I was a cop I'd probably tie you down and study you as a specimen too! haha!

just kidding.  I can say in comparison to what you say, lucidity is controllable upon the lift up flight, or looking at hands as you do, also I use the touch of my finger on some people I meet to get lucid. also the surprise factor brings one more lucid. if somebody leaps too high for instance, besides myself that is.

lucidity coming in is like clarity. then I can begin a conversation. and promptly forget it! just kidding. I can remember the drift of the conversation by certain key words.

I guess u can tell I like to talk. out there, or wherever, I just never shut up I guess!  thank you for sharing your journeys, most impressive and different than mine. love, alysia

Indeed, Recoverer, dreams are the portals to our inner reality.  They are memories/ reflections/ translations of our nightly experiences in inner(and probably outer) dimensions. 

When you said to the creator of your dream, "Your amazing," I think you were really telling yourself this without knowing it.  I would not say that dreams are created by other spirits.  I believe dreams come from our inner selves, which we are not usually aware of during waking consiousness but reemerge with during these nightly excursions. 

All too often people rely on assistance from others, from outsiders, from guides and helpers, which gives most people the idea that we do not have the ability to help ourself... yet it is my firm belief that most of this help comes from within, either from personalities which are a part our greater self (that we are not consiously aware of at the moment, so it seems as if it is outside help), or simply an opening of the pathways of communication between our ego(physical,waking consious selves) and our inner selves.  Its important for everyone to realize the true power they possess, and that the answers lie within, and not without.

I totally agree with you that guidance is 100% involved in helping all of us evolve and expand our consciousness.  My point was that usually this guidance is not removed from us, but actually a part of us.  You said that you recieved confirmation that your I-there group was helping you, just as Robert Monroe did.  Well, that is exactly what I am talking about.  I stated that I believe a lot of help comes from other personalities which are part of our higher self/I-there, which is what you are also saying, if I am not mistaken.  I simply wanted to convey that although these seem to be separate personalities, they are still a part of the LARGER YOU, for at another level of existance we are the sum, and actually greater than the sum, of our individual personalities.  Therefore, in essence this guidance IS you, just at another level, just like Monroes INSPECT friend WAS him. 

My self retreival of last year is a perfect example.  At face value, we were totally different and separate beings.  In this case, I was the guide.  Yet on another level of existance, we were one.  I had direct knowledge of this fact during the experience. 

I just feel it would help people to know that all they have to do is simply look inside themselves to recieve their desired results.  I am not saying they will come up with the answers through their own logic and reasoning.  I am saying that by realizing their own true power and looking inwards rather than outwards, they will be able to open up the doors to reach their inner self, where knowledge, ideas, and symbols will come from dimensions farther removed, and where the other personalities of their I-there will be to offer guidance.

Swedenborg (ES) experienced several apparent past lives during his astral travels.  The issue for him is the meaning of these experiences: e. g. evidence of reincarnation or soul mergers that create the illusion that the "new" memories are one's own, and not those of a separate other.  As ES trevaled to higher planes, he received specific instructions on how he had previously misunderstood the I-There.  He even experienced a kind of group soul of merging selves.  But these selves had nothing to do with reincarnation or parallel incarnations of the same oversoul.  Rather, they were separate souls grouped together on the basis of the principle like attracts like.  ES's guides even offered to demonstrate the reincarnation error by descending to the lower reincarnation planes, but the residents of those planes were so stuck in their reincarnationism that they refused to witness these demonstrations.  All I-There talk seems meaningless to me without an honest engagement with ES's discoveries, which directly challenge reincarnation.  ES has spectacular verification of his astral claims.

Don

Don:

I believe it is important to consider the audience factor. It probably wasn't appropriate for Swedenborg to speak about the oversoul principle to the people who lived during the time period in which he lived.

In a way there isn't a lot of difference between the disk and soul group viewpoint. If a bunch of spirits merge together so they can learn together, then this is what they do.  When it becomes time to create a new incarnation, the same needs will come into play.  The traits that are required for a particular incarnation, and the traits that need to be utilized by the group.

My feeling is that members can be added to a disk from other places. If I remember right, this is what took place with BB from Robert Monroe's I-there.  I believe that Spooky once wrote that he wasn't intially a member of his disk. He joined it after he already existed elsewhere. I've received messages that disks aren't isolated and they interact with other spirits quite a bit.

I figure there are two possibilities when it comes to where a disk gets the extra consciousness/creative energy (CCE) to create additional selves. Either it starts out with a lot of CCE and keeps creating additional selves until it runs out of CCE, or CCE is added to it according to need. Sometimes this CCE comes in the form of selves that already exist, and that hook up with a disk for the sake of development.

It might seem unfair to pass on traits to an incarnating self because this seems to contradict the principle of self determination.  However, if one considers how such supposed unfairness exists simply by incarnating into a lifetime that will have its collection of influences, it is probably better that something such as a disk provides traits that will better enable an incarnating self to deal with the circumstances it incarnates into.  Eventually a point will come where a self won't be limited by any of the traits it makes use of for a while. It will evolve to the point where it will have a huge amount of knowledge just as an oversoul does, and will be able to live accordingly.

I haven't read a lot of what Emanuel Swedenborg wrote, but it didn't take long before I saw that the knowledge he obtained wasn't perfect.  Some examples:
1. He wrote that all spirits pass on to the same place after a body dies, and it is determined at this location which realm they move to. It makes more sense to me that a spirit moves to a realm that matches its overall mind set/energetic right away.
2. His idea that female and male spirits marry each other, merge and become one, the male spirit takes over the thinking role, and the female spirit takes over the volition role, doesn't sound right to me. Sounds kind of chauvinistic.  Gender is a body based thing.  Our spirits have both female and male aspects, not just one gender. Eventually our oneness becomes so complete, how would marriage fit into the picture?
3. He claims that many spirits end up in hell like realms for all of eternity. I don't buy this at all.  
4. He seems to be a big Martin Luther fan.  Perhaps Martin Luther did some positive things, but he was antisemetic.  Adolph Hitler was inspired by Martin Luther's antisemetic viewpoints. I can think of a better hero.
5. Going by what I read, he seems to state that we maintain our body based appearance. I believe we are beings of light that have little to do with bodies.
6. He wrote that when a spirit tries to find which realm it will abide in, a ritual takes place where a spirit will walk up to various groups of people, and they will turn around and show such a spirit their back, if they don't believe this spirit belongs in their realm. I find it hard to believe that such a ritual exists. Perhaps he was provided with symbolic information. My feeling is that once a spirit decides to become honest enough to want to overcome its limitations, spirits who live according to love will be more than willing to help such a spirit. I could never be completely happy in a higher realm, as long as I knew that spirits abided in lower realms. If one considers things from a no time perspective, the moment where all spirits find their way back to a higher realm is "now."

I believe you are underestimating the people who have made contact with their disk/I-there/oversoul.  The same spirit guidance that got me to the point where I would open myself to the spirit support of Christ, is the same guidance that let me know about the disk/I-there/oversoul viewpoint.  I know of a few other people who have also made spirit contact with both Christ and their disks.

Another factor to consider is that sometimes the soul groups people see are collections of disks/I-theres that work together.

Howard Storm wrote that angels help God with the process of creation. Isn't it possible that "angel" was his word for disk/I-there/over soul? Perhaps he understood that his intended audience wouldn't take to the oversoul viewpoint. If an oversoul lives according to divine wisdom, divine will, and love, where is the problem with oversouls helping God with the process of creation? Don't each of us do the same in our own way? In a way oversouls are an extension of God.