It's good that you ask the questions. I am no authority, and I ask the same things. Perhaps the concept of time is similar to the time factor when we dream. I have read that even the most seemingly lengthy dreams are only a few seconds long, and I find that hard to believe, because I gather such lengthy details, and they take longer than that, UNLESS perhaps my dreaming mind is in another kind of "zone". (compressed time  ?) We can't prove many things , but we aren't pitchforked by Spirit to produce instant results or answers. What matters is that we wonder, and pay attention. The best part of the journey is often simply getting to ask questions, and expand consciousness. Time can be bandied about.

its like psychological time. thats where you are so obsorbed in something, time gets away, that you are not aware it is passing because no clocks are there. 

I have read there are appointments on the other side, so kind of like a structure where we go from experience to experience, just like here, school, work, relax, play time, same thing, just no body, fast transportation is instant, sleep and eat if you want, but not necessary to be so structured into those habits.

I hear it's an entirely different dimension of higher frequencies, here we are in bodies, it is like being frozen in time, in a way here.
over there, much more natural movements, moving along on thought waves like electricity. love, alysia

Thanks, guys, I like your explanation Alysia, and I know about the Eternal Now and What the Bleep and all that Vajra, but that doesn't mean that knowing these things will help me to understand what people have described. I have a feeling this is one of those things I'm just going to have to wonder about until I experience it lol, because even people who HAVE experienced it can't explain it!  I appreciate the replies.
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Sorry SENO. I guess having theoretical views on what might be going down doesn't mean a whole lot. Other than that it maybe serves to shake up our existing beliefs.

Your point and Alysia's beg a very big question though.

Our problems in making sense of higher realities are arguably because our sensorium (? - sensing, sense making and ability to act) is configured to function in this physical time/space reality as we experience it here.

Does that mean that when we end up in the afterlife we gain (create?) a whole new sensorium?

It gets really complicated if you consider that however it works the mixing of mind with a time less state of pure potentiality means we probably end up bringing into existence whatever reality we are motivated to create.

Especially since we probably perceive (much as in this life/dream) much of the context as being fixed and independent of what we feel/think...

Do we carry over our time/space sensorium so that the realities we create are recognisable to us, or can/do we experience whole new realities???

My personal suspicion is that the sensorium is a part of ego, and that it's stripped off as we proceed towards rebirth so that whatever our surviving essence is can don a new one to suit the new existence. Which for example could be on a different world, or in a different dimension.

But if that's the case does the essence (which for those of us stuck in the cycle of rebirth is only a temporary state - whatever that means) have consciousness, self awareness and a sensorium of some sort that functions in the timeless reality??

Thank you for going to so much trouble to reply Alysia!

I guess I floated those questions because it seems that the realities we create in the afterlife (at least as described by Monroe, Bruce and others here) seem very much to be replicas of what we had in life. Including time. Ranging from the belief system territories right up to the higher focus levels.

It strikes me as odd that having found ourselves in a state of existence where mind creates all and where our reality can be whatever we want it to be (?) that we should go ahead and replicate a version of worldly life. (complete with a non-physical replication of our earthly senses so that we can enjoy it!)

It's a bit like going on vacation to an exotic destination and insisting on eating in McDonalds and reading newspapers from home while closeted in the hotel room because they are familiar.

Yet the dropping of the body in the afterlife could be read as implying an opportunity to temporarily return to God, Love, the absolute, to unity, to the no-time reality  - we as you say Alysia get glimpses of it in this life while in elevated states of consciousness. (although we can't make much sense of it because we relate to it as you say via our earthly sensorium)

I was I guess in a roundabout way wondering if somehow in the afterlife we maybe have the capability to do more than eat in McDonalds. Wondering if possibly after an initial 'getting comfortable' period in an earth like reality that we might go on to relate in a more engaged manner with the absolute? (which would imply a whole new sensorium)

Signs are that this is not the case, at least for most of us. It seems (as taught in differing ways by Monroe and Buddhism) that we are in fact so attached to the earth system and sensorium (maybe that's the big meaning of ego?) that despite the potential we're not really able to transcend it. Meaning that we somehow find our way through to rebirth without ever having done so - without ever truly escaping our earth bound limits, without truly experiencing love and the absolute.

If this latter is the case then the 'forgetting' you mention maybe does amount to some sort of necessary (but only partial) stripping away of ego and obscuration to give us a clearer overview of our past and previous lives, and to ensure that the choice of a new life will take account of this insight. (maybe a broader way of looking at the meaning of karma)

Your point about the power of love to transcend ego (presumably because when we finally become able to live from PUL there's no obscuration or selfish motivation left) is central too. Maybe it's upon reaching this PUL state/dropping of ego that our attachment to the earth life system ends - and opens the way out of McDonalds.

Which would mean that since we were no longer driven by attachment rebirth would become optional - we could choose to be reborn to help others (as the Tibetan Rinpoches reportedly do), but we could maybe also choose to hang out for a while in the love that is the collective....

Oh well, no sign of any shortcuts yet it seems.....

Vajra said: Thank you for going to so much trouble to reply Alysia!
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hello! thank u for waking me up also.
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I guess I floated those questions because it seems that the realities we create in the afterlife (at least as described by Monroe, Bruce and others here) seem very much to be replicas of what we had in life. Including time. Ranging from the belief system territories right up to the higher focus levels.
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replicas, reflections. this brings to my mind a thought of the heavens versus the Earth planes; I think of our spiritual dyslexia. we naturally get confused which came first the chicken or the egg idea. Spirit (us) came first, the Earth reflects the heavens in distorted manner, yet a reflection it is. We are not creating what has already been created. I think its hard to get an overview of humanity without engaging the We are One conceptualization.
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It strikes me as odd that having found ourselves in a state of existence where mind creates all and where our reality can be whatever we want it to be (?) that we should go ahead and replicate a version of worldly life. (complete with a non-physical replication of our earthly senses so that we can enjoy it!)
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not all of us are simply on a lark here. this is hard work creating our own realities, god never said to me not to have a bit of fun as I go either. u seem like a very hard worker Vajra. we must learn to play also.
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It's a bit like going on vacation to an exotic destination and insisting on eating in McDonalds and reading newspapers from home while closeted in the hotel room because they are familiar.
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I see you're a pioneer. good comment.
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Yet the dropping of the body in the afterlife could be read as implying an opportunity to temporarily return to God, Love, the absolute, to unity, to the no-time reality  - we as you say Alysia get glimpses of it in this life while in elevated states of consciousness. (although we can't make much sense of it because we relate to it as you say via our earthly sensorium)

I was I guess in a roundabout way wondering if somehow in the afterlife we maybe have the capability to do more than eat in McDonalds. Wondering if possibly after an initial 'getting comfortable' period in an earth like reality that we might go on to relate in a more engaged manner with the absolute? (which would imply a whole new sensorium)
http://www.earthlypursuits.com/WLLDM/WLLDMan.htm  I found this link very enlightening as to how it was to transition, as a former minister did here, during a time of war upon the Earth; he describes his attachment to earthly concerns through the pen of Elsa Barker in 1915. his descriptions of the afterlife areas are varied and highly believable, in line with my own explorations and experiences. Personally I find it difficult to believe that upon transition I would be somehow given a whole new sensorium if I had not done my homework on Earth plane.
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Signs are that this is not the case, at least for most of us. It seems (as taught in differing ways by Monroe and Buddhism) that we are in fact so attached to the earth system and sensorium (maybe that's the big meaning of ego?) that despite the potential we're not really able to transcend it. Meaning that we somehow find our way through to rebirth without ever having done so - without ever truly escaping our earth bound limits, without truly experiencing love and the absolute.
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this is a tad pessimistic, I am a born optimist so we fit together well here. heres my personal comment, due to looking at my life only. first, we get to feeling so small and of no consequence, this is human nature, that we do not embrace humanity so we don't experience love or joy and the afterlife areas can look glum or boring also..pause for a station break  I just picked up a message for you..you are under the purple ray of transmutation using this board to transmute yourself into your higher self. u do achieve what u set out to do.  back to myself    if u help but one single person in your life along their struggle, this is what they say on the other side produces light and love within your soul. this could mean smiling at the grocery clerk to get them out of a bad mood, or it could mean something like loving your spouse to help them also, or it could mean being a leader in some area that you are gifted with. all acts of love are maximal and take courage.
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If this latter is the case then the 'forgetting' you mention maybe does amount to some sort of necessary (but only partial) stripping away of ego and obscuration to give us a clearer overview of our past and previous lives, and to ensure that the choice of a new life will take account of this insight. (maybe a broader way of looking at the meaning of karma)
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we need to look at karma differently, not as punishment, but as a design we undertook for the  experience, but also we are always becoming, in the act of that, and surely we don't know where we are going unless we look at where we've been, (joke coming) sorry    just when we think we've found it, somebody moves it. this an old hippie joke. regarding this ego stripping outlook seems related to TMI's belief system crash concept; whereby every time I enter a conflicted area within myself I feel a part of me to die, or crash. I feel stripped as you say. I just read an interesting article yesterday that we should be gentle with ourselves when this occurs of the feeling of something is dying. the ego is seen as the inner child. I thought this was an excellent representation of the ego. in this article we are not to see ego as bad, but rather as a child which we would pay attention to and nurture. http://www.nibiruancouncil.com/html/inner_child_blocking_ascension.htm
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Your point about the power of love to transcend ego (presumably because when we finally become able to live from PUL there's no obscuration or selfish motivation left) is central too.
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right. someone pointed out to me once that it is in selfish interest to love. I agree but the difference is that the other benefits from your being so selfish to get such pleasure out of loving them.
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Maybe it's upon reaching this PUL state/dropping of ego that our attachment to the earth life system ends - and opens the way out of McDonalds.
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I think u r right that attachments change and that PUL causes a newness to arrive in all facets of our being, so in that sense, a life of practicing acts of random kindness, could in potential grant a new sensorium, but we shouldn't think that we need to wait for death of the body to achieve this, otherwise we are/would be, always in a state of waiting for the arrival of the newness to arrive when maybe its right in front of us. btw, thanks for the new word sensorium. this site has underlined the word as spelled wrong, but the dictionary says its right. seems to be a word related to the nervous system according to one dictionary.
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Which would mean that since we were no longer driven by attachment rebirth would become optional - we could choose to be reborn to help others (as the Tibetan Rinpoches reportedly do), but we could maybe also choose to hang out for a while in the love that is the collective....
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that link I gave you agrees, we spend time in regeneration on the other side before deciding upon another journey in conjunction with our group. the other players in your life are a part of you so they figure in there with your plans, yet a soul does gravitate to other players too to form new groups and soul projects. my guides told me I had more choices available now that I finished my karma/design with my parents. the elation of enlightenment process is the knowing theres more choices now for self expression.
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Oh well, no sign of any shortcuts yet it seems
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welcome to armchair spirituality  I like your style anyway.



I gotta get off this puter look what happened to me when my ego died!
love, alysia

Thank you again Alysia. I have to take a while to do some reading on those links.  Pardon my dragging you into a big long answer again - it's true, I am a bit serious. But as genuine as I'm able..

Your post Dave perhaps shows that my thinking about the timeless absolute wasn't quite right. I was seeing it as a sort of phase change, or new dream. But what you say implies that as usual there's nothing 'separate' or different about our reality.

The issue is just the way the we're wired to perceive. On time the import I guess of what you say is that if our clock speed (rate of perceiving) and our perspective was changed so that we could scan all of time in an instant then time and distance would seem to compress. (? - have I got it right)

Infinitely speeded up the whole spread of time and space would seem like an instant, a now.

'Now' is essentially a measure of time anyway......