Hi Vajra, sorry I'm late for dinner..me kids arrived in town and I don't know how lucky a person can be to have such children..they put in some landscaping for me.

soo anyhoo, basically I think perhaps all of life is like an experiment and that may include, well, it must include all facets of life, sex included. just rambling, but for example heres a list of friends I've known and their respective dramas:

Dotty: married to a man many years, bore a child, he decides to become a woman, grows breasts, on his way to remove his manhood, he meets another woman and decides he wants to remain as a man. the high point of this drama was when his breasts grew larger than Dotty's, he declared he was the "better woman." arrggg. Dotty took the news pretty well, but she was a stalwart spirit who hid her pain well.

Sylvia: married and divorced 9 times, emasculates men without realizing it consciously, she is now single with 3 dogs and 19 cats.

Karen: seduced at 14 by gym teacher, she remains a virgin the rest of her life and never experiments with the opposite sex. has a relationship.

Gary: a slightly build gay fellow used to come to work at least once a week with a busted lip or black eye given by his lover, he acted like he had a trophy with each scar.

I worked for a porn magazine as typesetter awhile...typing wanted ads...75% of the ads I typed were guys listing the measurement of their organ, up to 9"...the other language I won't list here so not to cause shock but it was graphic and sick. business was booming. I lasted a year there; spirit put me there to observe humanity.
maybe to toughen me up to what goes on.

While my sister lay dying of cancer, her husband of 20 some years was rounding up a new partner and planning to move her into the house when sis died. she did, and he did. It didn't work out, the new arrangement, imagine that?
He goes looking for my sis in the afterlife areas, finds her, begs forgiveness, she declines, shes got a new beau over there.
she'll forgive someday, but not just yet...its really hard to die all alone while your husband is playing around. wow, humans have got the drama going on! my sis was never able to enjoy sex because her father molested her. the point is, even after death, relationships continue the same as they did on Earth with folks still trying to learn and grow and get over hurts and find out what real love is.

Gina: is neither of black race nor white, is both, looks white. she hangs in black bars and nearly gets raped while shes trying to find her rightful place. finally finds a white man 20 years older than her who is emotionally her age and its a perfect match, last I heard.

I did find in my travels a couple who are happy! was looking to find more like them and I know they are out there. he's a farmer, he names each horse and animal he has. he likes to stay and wants to die on his farm in Wisconsin. his wife of many years is a world traveler, doing this several times a year.

well, this is just a few examples of human drama, relationships. the body though, is just a tool for gathering experiences and humanity is moving along towards the fuller expression of our afterlife where PUL just is, and is not something to attain nor express, but just is, existent in the atmosphere and is the foundation we walk on, and shines on all the same, in the levels of completion.
I say let the body serve you, but don't let it's needs have authority over our lives and our dramas and our well being.
well, gee, on a high note, at least we have a body to express in!




happy Halloween, this is one of me kids, ok everybody pull out your kids pics!

free love concept is not true enlightenment PUL expressing but a learning stage so I hear what you're saying I think.
theres this Jackson Brown tune I been practicing (almost got the rhythm down!)
and the lyrics are "if I'd only known what your heart cost, can we call it a loan, and a debt that I owe on a bet that I lost?" oh, there seems to be two, one steals the love, the other one hides.

thanks Jackson! there does seem to be two worlds here, one spiritual, one physical, but really one is the extention in the cosmic mirror of the other, so there's just one world with different folks focusing in on different viewing points, which exclude other viewing points of necessity to get our individual experiences that we came here for.
on this other level there is oneness already existent, so theres individuals, but also a One Mind we surf in which is PUL everywhere, like I said, we were born from PUL and return to this creative essense with our free will intact, less all the selfishness motives that we used on the lower levels, perhaps with passions still there but governed by wisdom gained in each life.

or like Dave here has said several times, enlightenment is achievable in one lifetime with concentrated effort; you don't have to wait till yer dead, in enlightenment I would suppose one begins to sense the underlying oneness of everything and everyone and it's not forced, but it's a focus point of oneness, through the desire to see and experience the harmonics. so thats how two worlds become the one world.

relationships on the other side of the coin, since the oneness is evident already, the merging aspects are a moot point; one is an open book on the other side, all is known what another person has collected in their earth travels, as it exists as color in their thought aura surrounding them, this would be like Spock mind melds..ah! thank you Star Trek!
Mind melds produce understanding which produces PUL, or more of it. PUL is also inspiration which is like a conveyor belt on the other side. so it is said "I was moved."

PUL, in the heavens is our natural heritage for one and all. retrievers move those stuck into areas closer to PUL by an act of love. it's like throwing a fish back in the water, the fish swims away, it would never forget how to swim.

Monogamy, right or wrong? both and neither I'd say. this is between two people and their highest guidance what they will make. every relationship is One. something is produced from it and contributes an effect into the entire collective Mind.
One does not need to suffer in a relationship for the "sake" of the other to have peace of mind and not be hurt. honest communication is the only thing takes away the hurt. if a relationship does not seem to go forward in PUL no matter what effort you are trying for. its easy enough to become a martyr for love just as its so easy to slip out the back Jack.  somewhere a balance would occur with open communication, even about taboo subjects, like, I have to leave because I'm unhappy.
open communication can even make people fall in love all over again with each other.

so its not even a question if monogamy is the answer or free love, at some point I should say, it's not important to declare what is true for another, just what is your own truth?

Back to ACIM, it taught me what relationships are for. I really didn't know. It simply said relationships were "to make happy."

if each partner were in the same mindset, they would be making each other's happiness the priority and theres no problem then. however, as a whole we are not there yet, because we all have these different ideas what makes the beloved happy! haha!  I give up!  live and learn! I'd just say do what makes you happy, just make sure you're not stepping on someone to get where you want to go.

love, alysia

gee Orlando, its like your in the same room with me and we're talking..

those stories are just snippets of their lives, I don't have their whole lives to look at so I don't wish to present just negatives. for instance, suppose that Dotty and the guy who was doing a gender change, suppose in another life he had been a woman? then u could see he might be having a hard time with his gender choice this time.

the woman who was introduced to sex at 14 and never tried a heterosexual relationship said it was directly related to the tryst with the female gay gym teacher. she didn't seem very happy but acted stuck with her lifestyle, so I mentioned it because all of this is humanity. we are very vulnerable as teens, I am wanting to protect young people so I thought it was sad. it was her destiny I suppose. being heterosexual, I enjoyed men, so I would naturally think she was missing out, but its not my call to judge her that she missed out. she met a gay woman and I lost touch with her after she discovered we would not be intimate, not physically. if its true and it is, we can have intimacy without sex, meaning unconditional love, she is not missing out on anything because you can't miss what you never had before.

I hope you find a very loving relationship Orlando, you are so sweet and deserve it truly! if thats what your heart desires of course. love, alysia

Perhaps to say the World was created on purpose, not just a big illusory mistake like some sources of information claim.  Your sentence can be interpreted to mean that there is nothing wrong with making use of the creative aspect of being, as long as it is done in the spirit of love and light. 

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Hawkeye:

First of all, I don't know. Just speculating. Even if they met up with 75 virgins, those virgins would be imaginary virgins. Eventually, hopefully, they would come out of their state of confusion and see how empty those virgins are.  

Robert Monroe and others speak of spirits trying to have sex in a physical way but not being able to do so completely, despite what they want and believe. What happens to a guy who can't completely have sex with 75 virgins? After a while he might start to wonder.

Plus various sources of information state that what we believe competes with what is true, after we die. For example, say a man called himself a Christian throughout his life, but he didn't come close to loving his neighbor as his self? Would he get to go to heaven right away, or would his negative way of being have to be taken care of first?

I'd say they are willing to die because they believe they are going to be rewarded with 75 virgins. They also believe their victims, the so called infidels, will end up in hell for all of eternity. So obviously their field of knowns has nothing to do with love.

Regarding their victims going to hell for all of eternity, I once saw a man get interviewed who had his suicide bombing attempt stopped. He believed his victims would go to hell for all of eternity.  He had a really indifferent attitude about this. It meant nothing to him that his victims would have to suffer horribly for all of eternity while he enjoyed his virgins. Obviously he listened to his ego, not his heart.

I don't mean to sound judgmental. If I lived his life I might've ended up the same way. But when you wrote "they are willing to die for their knowns" you seem to be glorifying something that isn't worth glorifying.  Unloving behavior is unloving behavior, even if a person claims to do so for the sake of God.


hawkeye wrote on Oct 5^th, 2007 at 12:09pm:

perhaps Aeyna, you can look at it this way; each life is a drop in the bucket, once we get home, we have access to all of them for study, but more than that prospect, here and now we can tap into those akashic records.
so if we have eternity to become all that we want to be and to experience all that we wish to, you should not lament that you will never have certain experiences.
besides, what I really wanted to say is we've already pointed out here on this thread we can become fully enlightened, to experience the fullness of PUL totally without the use of the body as in physical expression of sexual dimension, so the body is really nothing. Nothing but a sensory apparatus for the use of spirit.

thats why ACIM calls the body an illusion. because its not the real intrinsic you.

the you that continues. I believe you when you say you are a woman. It sounds like a difficult life that you chose to grow through. its ok nowdays for a man to express the softer qualities of a woman, it's ok for you to change your mind..we women have that right u know!  maybe after all, its time we put all roles aside and just try to tell our truth knowing ahead of time, a blow or two might come our way, but like the Eagles said in "Take it Easy" just find a place to take your stand and take it easy.

love, alysia

Aeyna wrote on Oct 10^th, 2007 at 5:43pm:


I don;t think there is either. I was just amazed at the insensitivity of the person who thought someone was a "better woman"becasue of their boob size. That sounds more like the less admirable kind of man thinking than someone I would consider feminine. I think self-identification as transsxexual and deciding to act on it is a complicated area that for some people is definitely right and they know they need to do it and can;t be happy any other way, for others is more of a grey area, and for others would be completely wrong and a big mistake and they only consider it becasue they are confused about themselves and don;t really know what they want/need