Hi and a heart filled welcome to the Afterlife Knowledge Board,
I agree with your thoughts as Goethe states "Mankind only understands what he sees".

Flesh is material, so therefor someone whom only believes that what he can touch and see tends only adhere to such. Whereas the spirit is non-material, everlasting and free.

Please never forget that which is "material" can be altered by mankind for the ego purpose of mankind, but that which is "non-material" can not be altered by mankind, so therefor is the real truth.

Thank you for such wonderful thoughts,
Anja  

Patrick - that was a really good one, and so true! 

One variation of what's meant with this bible quote may be the identification of our experience with physiological processes. You can hear it everywhere on the media, when they talk about that our mind is a complex of brain processes. But, in proper science, as science should be, physiological processes are simply correlating to experiences. Nothing of causality here. You can't speak of causality between things of a totally different category.
  So, focused on physiologic processes (part of physicalism) all you get out is physiology, and not experiences. They can try as long as they want, it's ridiculous. Flesh to flesh, spirit to spirit.

  Plato has mentioned this physiology-mind issue in one of his early dialogues, I think "Apologeia" or "Kriton".

Spooky

Hey everyone,

about evolution...Elite, I had the same kind of feeling when talking about evolution in biology class, it shows you one more time, how old life itself is, and that, according to the million of years, evolution now is going on, you are only one single, changeable being in this whole process. We creep around here for some 80 years, and that is, referring to evolution, one small dot of time of a biomass, that will sooner or later be eaten up by evolution/nature again, to take the single parts to create something new out of them. Therefore the evolution does not care about your consciousness, your feelings, your personality, only your biomass. And even if it seems like it came to an end, it slowly goes on changing, we won't even recognize, our liftime on planet earth is way too short.
That sheds fear, of course, it reminds us of our own insignificance.
Evolution was one factor making me questioning religion/spirit after all. Religion/spirit says that everyone, as individual is special and is in his own way valuable.
But if you look at this machinery, we seem to be like clothes from a big factory, we are "worn" and if broken, thrown away, maybe recycled to be something new. And no matter how hard we try, this machinery cannot be escaped, we are bound to it, and have to accept its rules.
Therefore the flesh is none of our own, it is lend from nature (so to say), because we insists that we have our free will and are parts of the nature, that are able to recognize its beauty and how it works, so I came to say "lend". Our body alters since we were born. Some go that far to say consciousness is also evolutionary matter, just interaction of biochemical substances, driven by electrical impulses, so our consciousness, according to evolution, would also be ceased to exist, when the body falls to parts.
Scientific approach end.

Belonging to the spirit, its realms and realities....the spiritual approach surely makes one more comfortable, according to the possibility the spiritual realms give us, ever living consciousness, a body being only a shell, that is left behind by the spirit, meeting our deceased loved ones on the other side.

I do not dare to declare one of the two sides as ultimate reality, lacking knowledge what is really real, according to my pov, we will never know, but it is at least a possibility to be seen, that everything reveals to us, when passing over.

Humanbeings scratch the surface, it is one of their limits, even when it comes to spiritual matters, we only get short glimpses, that was the lot.

Yours sincerely,

pulsar