spooky2 wrote on Sep 1^st, 2007 at 9:50pm:

Thanks for mention it, as my CPU fan has been making audible noises during heavy loads of video processing.  I'll get around to checking the condition of the fan.

Dave,
I promise you I have nothing to do with it. I just know how frustrating it can be! I know that some of us in here know more about PC frequencies than others. It would really be nice to hear if anyone understands how the spirit may use such form of communication. As consciousness grows, so do the possibilities and probabilities, Am I on the right track?

Good thoughts to all,
Anja

Hey varja,

grats! A great post consisting of so much truth about rational and romantic minds, reflecting how they work and one seems to be contradicting another.

But a few short words on technology, I agree, some are dangerous, but I don't really agree that it is technologies fault to fall apart from god. It is more that some of them working on this field, mostly in the "earlier years" of modern technologies had a wrong pov concerning technology.
They indeed thought they would be able to reign over nature by using technology, forgetting what technologies true values are, and they are more profane. Technology is just there to make things like work, travelling and communication easier. Just devices that are helpful, not devices to rule the environment. If spending money right, technology can be put on the next level, working environment-friendly, like solar cells, but at the moment, these alternative types of technology are far away from replacing the old, polluting ways.

Love,

pulsar

Hm Vajra, I don't think there ever was a really "romantic age". Even in the earliest times we have informations of, there has been a very elaborated system of religion, social system, and technology. Very strict and often brutal. It's rational rather than romantic, only of a different type. People weren't more compassionate, or more gently treating their environment back then (they had of course not the technical means, and weren't that many as today). It has been always about putting the untamed human emotions into channels- only of a different sort than now. What is different now is this "mechanistic" view. Earlier, one might felt chosen by a god to put effort in a project, today one might feel instead like a meaningless sack of crude ideas, if this one has been trapped by the mechanistic worldview, the decrease of personal meaning.

Spooky

Hi Guys,

I realize that there’s just something about conflict and or insults that gets the juices of creativity going. I’ve noticed that some of the best material/feedback regarding learning the lessons of love and tolerance have arisen from posts of close-minded individuals that have contributed throughout the years to this site.

Anywho, in attempting to understand what’s going on in my world of paid work in C-1, I came across a wonderful response, in the form of a letter, to those who “Cups are full” in terms of belief systems and aren’t really open to the possibility that the average “Joe” here today might have something new or innovative to contribute.

“Dear [Mr.Ms. K'n'it All]

As you must know, those who value knowledge can only obtain it by keeping their minds open. No doubt you have spent a considerable amount of time learning all you know. Perhaps you have also discovered that the more you know, the more you don’t know, and the more there is to know.

Every person has the potential to add to your wealth of knowledge, because everyone has a unique perspective, When discussing ideas, remember this and instead of shutting out others, find out what they are really talking about, Someone can suggest a totally bonehead idea that will never work, but the criteria that makes them suggest it may be worth it’s weight in gold.

As far as your attitude is concerned, we recommend that you become curious, and then fascinated with the differences in perception and in behavior between people.  In an age of information, where an entire encyclopedia can be accessed in Microseconds at the touch of a computer key, wisdom has greater value than knowledge. Wisdom does not come from age, for from the mouths of babes can come great wisdom. Wisdom is the product of an inquiring mind that’s connected to the heart.” (Dealing with People You Can’t Stand-how to bring out the best in people at their worst, R.Brinkman&R.Kirschyner,pg.178)

Of course all of us have had our periods of Know-It-All-ism, where we can’t or don’t want to hear the other guy, but most of us on this site are here to learn and do a pretty good job of using and expressing our inquiring by way of our heart through being kind to each other.

Keep up the good work!  Reading these posts and Alysia’s book are keeping me sane and giving me some much needed fun.

Jean

I just had in interesting insight into the folly of destructive criticism and persecution.  In many cases, they can actually further the cause that the persecutor is trying to kill off.  Take for instance, "everyone's favorite" Fundamentalist Christianity.   I realized today that attacking them head-on is a folly because it supports their cause for these reasons:  First, it reinforces their fears of Satan tempting them to think doubtful thoughts and magnetizes them to their cause even more, second, it actually strengthens their egos and reinforces their beliefs that Persecution means someone hates "the truth" and strengthens their belief that they have found the truth and that unbelievers have come to deceive them.

So, while your experience may be different, this is just one of my experiences that teaches how judgment and persecution can ironically further the cause it wishes to stop by actually putting in more energy to feed it's ego.  In fact, I could say that dualist belief systems have a dependence upon critics for their extra energy supplies, meaning that criticism will just keep it's object going.  Who knows, this may be a truth that rings true for you too.

Stephen Updegraff / Steve Edward

rondele wrote on Aug 31^st, 2007 at 4:00pm:


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@ Rondele,
Keep in mind, that prior to this incidence, the doorbell rang those 3 times (short,short, long) which I (and my hubby) acknowledged in my mind, however dismissed within the "frame of reaction". The PC contact, happened thereafter. My vulnerability between the door bell night and that particular morning had been needless to say:
ironically spoken: WORLDS APART.

I am sure that others have had unexplainable "pc" problems and I`ll bet you a dime and a silver dollar    that some of these pc problems are attempted communications from the Afterlife, but because of the conscienceness level of that indivudual, they don`t even remotely think of the possibility of anything else ergo he/she tend to blame it on Bill Gates!   .(Poor fella - as many times as he`s been cursed out by us all and to think its..... spirits, which are causing alot of crashes, black screens, for which he has to give explaination and create patches for..lol... If that sucker knew that, then he`d even try to bill them for all that.

Let`s be for real - EVEN I myself, thought of a virus on my pc - until I was convinced otherwise.

To your proposal, I find it a great idea, matter of fact, (I am convinced that more people will learn to open their degree in conscieneness levels during the next 5 years anyway) and thats going to be the cause of normality of such an occurance.
It wasn`t very long ago Rondele, that people would have screamed and possibly committed suicide in the Dark Ages if they would have seen a refridgerator or a dishwasher, let alone a car as the one we take for granted just about everyday. We consider these things normal. People of the Middle Ages wouldnt have. It would have been demonic! However the consciousness level to "accept" such had to be slowly developed, and the most quick way "humans" adapt to anything, is when it proves to be able to make them lazier than they already are...lol..

However I warn you ahead of time: Creation, doesn`t function according to "human rules and regulations". It has a complete set of it`s own.

Why I find Manuela ten Bulte choose the route of the pc is NOW simple for me to comprehend. Because I am dunce Rondele   Someone has to literally take a hammer and hit me on the hand, for me to say "ouch that hurt"! Pinching, smackin me, pushin me just don`t do the trick.  I didnt open my eyes for any other occurances, and maybe she tried. Maybe she moved a picture from one place to another, but the Nanner does this all the time, so poop, I wouldnt have noticed. Maybe she did brush my face once or twice, but I get chilled sensations since I was 5 years old, so it`s not uncommon for me. Maybe she pushed a glass on the floor and made it burst, well donkey doo I am a clumsy chick anyway, so I didn`t pay attention, maybe she tried to call me on the phone, and since this happens to me about 30 times a year for the last 20 years, I will just keep on thinking its someone whom misdialed..

She was the only one whom "knew" that I am connected to my pc as she was to hers, just the same. She knew that if she blocks me long enough, that I would eventually get "pis**d off" as hell, that this would paralayze "all other thoughts" in me instantly. As she was the only one that knew, that I threw my last printer against the wall and shattered it to a hundred pieces. (Be aware children, don`t do this at home. HP printers have a lot of freakin pieces... ) Rondele, no one would throw their printer against the wall, knowing that they don`t have the money to purchase a new one...lol...But I did that, so what I am getting at, she knew my temper! And she got me RIGHT THERE!

I grew through this experience Rondele, I grew afterwards, is what I mean. After I did not disacknowledge the possibility. That was the key for her to get to my attention. My sense of sensitivity has sharpend thru this.

I`m not saying that she`s my Guide, but I MOST certainly know that I have one now. Ergo, if it wouldnt have been for her and that contact, I would have not checked into creation like I ended up doing. Its called a "wake up call", as I am sure you already know. The more I learn, the more I listen, the more sensitive I am getting.

The way I have come to see it: I`ll compare it to a staffel race okay. (we humans always seem to need materialised visualization inorder to understand) Lets say I am cloned 8 times Each one of me gets placed at a certain part of the track, ready to take over that staffel from the other clone of me, correct? However each clone must [experience what it feels like to run that freakin 1/2 mile long run, before to be able to give the clone infront of it that staffel. Meaning if I go back and take a good solid look at my life, then before I was allowed to go to a higher level of consciousness (to give that staffel to the next clone infront of me to run "forward" with) I had to learn certain levels of pain, levels of love, levels of understanding, levels of faith, levels of hatred, levels of forgiving and so on.

Ergo, this what happened to me with Manu, was sort of like going to the next level. I must have done something right honey, so to be able to open such frequency within myself. It was suppose to be that way. Like I said before the creation functions on its own terms and not that of the "25% consciousness level human beings".

And on another note: I didnt open up a word processing, starred at it and waited. I was working on a 1 Mill $ project and the pc rebooted itself in middle of my writing in the pages, it rebooted without probable cause!

Tricking creation into haveing to proove to us at our will = forget it, it will never happen, as I am sure the qualified mediums out there will agree with me on that one.

Take my incident as a "wake up call", I shared my expereince with you Rondele (It was`t mandatory) so instead of tampering with its existence use it to your advantage for growth my love. Use it as the starting block to dive into that pool of information, spiritual growth and advancement to furthure consciousness.

I`m over here in europe right now, but I hope you can feel the hug and the loving smile I just gave you.

and...so no one else feels unhugged today.. heres one for you too!
Nanner

Reading the last several posts it at one level sounds like we've lost the thread. Yet in truth it all links and just illustrates some of the multiple dimensions of this whole topic of consciousness, and the way we act within and make sense of the dream. To try to capture some of these:

For sure conflict and destructive criticism (JK ) get the creative juices going, but more often than not in an ego driven  retaliatory and self justificatory direction (Steve). Unless as many have done here one party consciously draws back from reciprocation.

I guess the trick is to transmute the urge to hit back into an urge to do right. The Buddhist principle that the better solution to any given issue usually lies between the polarities and at a higher level comes to mind - by heading for the higher ground and placing the issue in a wider and more loving/wiser more constructive context the cause of the aggression often becomes irrelevant.

The old adage that violence and aggression always escalate holds true unless one or the other party is prepared to take the risk of not returning  the last blow - the parties remain locked in a tit for tat reciprocation based on their mutually being locked by their ego driven anger into what is actually a very narrow and in spiritual terms delusional and selfish way of seeing the situation.

The rationalising/romantic split is one way of characterising how different individuals make sense of what they experience. And how they may discriminate against others. Becoming wedded to either way of seeing to the extent that it blinds all other perspectives is just another delusion.

Tim's very eloquent post on the need to relax and be open is central too. As is Nanner's. When out of ignorance (unknowingly looking at things the wrong way: e.g. as a result of ruling out certain things as impossible due to a limiting belief system) or out of ego involvement (fear, anger, hurt, prejudice, whatever leading to the emotion getting intense and heavy) we find ourselves blinded we become  unable to raise our view beyond the stereotype to see the reality of the situation, or to see the way out.

Maintaining a light and open way of relating to others and to situations (a strong Buddhist emphasis again) is so important.

That's not to say that knowledge is not important. Used correctly a training in how the mind works, and on how we should behave (along with the more usual stuff) is  critical to this process too - they provide a framework for personal behaviour and development of higher solutions of the sort mentioned above. Used wrongly knowledge becomes just another tool of the ego - something to be clung to, or used as a weapon against others.

I guess raising consciousness is the magic ingredient. When we come to know intuitively what's right, we above all else become unable to act except from love. It doesn't mean we'll necessarily have the most high brow solution, but we'll not be driven to do harm.....