I probably should being sharing some of events that occur during workshops here on the website to give visitors the flavor of some of the goings on.  Some of these are pretty tame, some them are pretty spectacular.  One of the spectacular variety happened during a recent workshop in Japan.  I happened during the first partnered exploring exercise.  

  Several years ago Rosalie and I created a nonphysical Meeting Place to be used as part of teaching partnered exploration.  We basically placed intent to create such a place and then imagined into being within nonphysical reality.  The Meeting Place is a building surrounded by specific features that contains lots of structures and other features.  It was created with lots of very specific logical incongruities so that participants would not be able to easily guess what is inside the building.  In the exercise workshop participants are exploring nonphysical reality in groups.  The Japan workshop had enough participants to have seven groups with about seven people in each group.  One of the groups were all women, one all men, and the rest were mixed.  Each individual is instructed to ask their Helper to guide them as they go, nonphysically, to the Meeting Place.  Once they imagine entering the Meeting Place building, during the exercise, they are instructed to gather together with the other members of their group and begin exploring together.  After the exercise each group member makes detailed notes of their exploration experience.  Then each shares their experience with the other members of their group and they compare notes in what is called a "small group debriefing."  After each member completes this as a group they look for "hits," which are defined as similarities in the experiences of participants.  Hits are classified in four categories: Stretch; Little; Big; and WOW! Hits.  After all of that is completed a spokesperson gives a verbal summary of their group's experiences and hits to rest of the groups in a large group debriefing.  Then it's my turn.

  I then give a verbal description of the features of the Meeting Place as Rosalie and I first created the place.  This is always great fun as participants discover that the logical incongruities they encountered were actually intentionally incorporated into the Meeting Place.  Sometimes as I am verbally guiding workshop exercises I discover I am taking part nonphysically and when this happens I also share my experience with participants after the large group debriefing.  My experience during this exercise was a bit odd.

  As I was guiding them through exploring inside the Meeting Place I suddenly realized that I was nonphysically standing with one of the the all-women groups of participants.  I took the opportunity, nonphysically, to get this group's attention and talk to them.  Sometimes participants will remember these encounters and there will be hits within the small group debriefing between those who remember.  Then when they hear me confirm their hits from my memory of the mutual experience they get more hits.  As I was talking with this group of women I noticed that there was another group of participants standing about 15 feet away, and I could clearly see that I was standing in that group also, talking them.  So, there were two of me taking part in the exercise.  Deciding I wanted to try to call the attention of both groups to the fact that I was in two different groups at the same time made a silly looking gesture with my left hand, waving it in the air.  When I could tell that everyone in boths groups was looking at the left hand of the Bruce in their group I made another theatrically silly movement.  This time I made a long, sweeping movement of my arm that ended with my outstretched arm pointing toward the Bruce in the other group.  I could see myself making this same movement simultaneously in both groups.  It worked!  The heads in both groups turned toward the other group to see what I was pointing at.  They registered a little surprise as they realized I was pointing at another Bruce, me, in the other group.  I got a little surprise too.  As I was pointing at myself in the other group I saw that was also in all the rest of the partnered exploring groups and that each of me in each group was pointing at another me in another group.  Pretty bizzare for some folks I suppose but you get use to these things after a while and they just become part of your "normal" experiences.

  I noticed that after the exercise and debrifing one of the participants, Ken, became very withdrawn.  Later he asked one of the workshop organizers, Uzin, for help in dealing with a belief system crash.  When we have an experience that conflicts with our beliefs, and we accept that experience as real, it can have profound, sometimes difficult to deal with effects.  We took a break from the normal workshop material, gave Ken the floor, and let him talk about his experience of the belief system crash he was going through.  He was experiencing a severe crash with the complete pattern of "symptoms."   It turned out that his experience during the Meeting Place exercise I described above was the cause of his crash.

  Since childhood Ken was kind of a loner and spent a lot of time imagining "fantasy lands" as he called them.  He spent so much time doing this as a child that he developed his nonphysical sense of sight to the point that it is always full color, holographic, 3D, clear and sharp quality vision.  Ken always believed that his nonphysical visions were only and always complete fantasies.  That belief was challenged and crushed by his experience in the Meeting Place exercise.

  As I had described the "as created" version of the Meeting Place Ken quickly realized that he had seen everything exactly as I described it in vivid detail.  There wasn't anything I described that he hadn't seen with his full color, holographic, 3D, clear and sharp quality vision, that he previously believed could only be used to perceive fantasy.  I think the final straw for Ken was that he had also seen the entire sequence of events I described about pointing at my multiple-location selves in all the groups.  At that point there had been no way out for Ken.  The verified nature of the experience forced him to accept that experience as real.  His belief about the only-fantasy nature of his nonphysical sense of sight was completely destroyed by that experience.  The resulting loss of identity left him adrift in a stormy sea with nothing to hang on to.

  Fortuitously, it was time for the lunch break soon after Ken shared his experience.  I asked Ken join Pharon and me, together with Kumiko and Uzin (the workshop organizers) for lunch so we could talk.  Uzin offered to translate for us and after about an hour of talking with Ken, sharing what I understand about belief system crashes and answering his questions, Ken emotions began to stablize.  By later in the day he was doing much better.  

  Well, that's a little of the kind of things that happen during workshops.  Hope you enjoyed reading about it.

Bruce

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Vajra, as my dad use to put it, "you just said a mouthful."  Such few words that so nicely point out one of the most pervasive problems we human beings share in understanding more about who and what we really are and about the very nature of reality.  While incarnated Here our perceptual perspective becomes extremely narrow and limited.  The basic assumptions we develop and about the nature of reality become very limited as a result.  Those assumptions unknowingly (for the most part) become the unquestioned yard stick we measure our experiences with to determine if there are "real" or not.  For example, while living Here it is easy to take on the assumption that we only exist in one place at any given moment in time.  That's pretty much okay for experience within this area of Consciousness we call physical reality.  The difficulty comes when we automatically and unquestioningly assume that this one-place-at-one-time assumption holds valid for realities other than the physical.  We also take on the assumption that since physical reality appears to be solid with very persistent forms and structures (that physicists erroneously claim can neither be created or destroyed) that all other realities "obey" the same "laws."  Then along comes something like "multi Bruce and Ken' story."  

The whole story takes place within an area of Consciousness we label "nonphysical reality" in a "location" labeled the Meeting Place.  The Meeting Place was created out of "nothing" by imagining it into being.  While its creation and existence might defy the "laws of physics" it nevertheless exists in a way that is confirmed via direct observation by literally hundreds of  physical world humans across a broad range of years and cultures (American, German, Polish and Japanese so far).  As you rightly point out, "there are problems inherent in presuming that 'out there' operates the same way as our cause and consequence based physical reality."  

If this Meeting Place can be created by two people out of "nothing" by imagining into being and then be objectively confirmed by so many eyewitnesses the implications of that ought to stagger the mind of someone suiting up in their "spiritual camo jacket to chart the afterlife wilderness" and any other nonphysical realitiesy  The phrase "imagining it into being" really boils down to "holding and expressing the belief" that such a Meeting Place exists.  The implication is, as you point out, that in any such exploratory endeavor we may actually be creating and sustaining "whatever reality we individually or collectively have decided exists (or doesn't exist) out there."  The implications of that one still stagger my mind on occasion.  With that one questions about the very nature of who and what we really are quickly start moving to the front of the line.  

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Yeah, we set out in our "spiritual camo jacket to chart the afterlife wilderness" and at some point we stumble into far more basic questions that grab our attention and guide us to completely unanticipated discoveries.  Perhaps it becomes clearer as to why I teach “afterlife exploration?”  Our afterlife is just one of an uncountable number of realities we might explore, but it is a convenient one.  Convenient because it is inhabited by human beings with whom we can communicate that may potentially cause experiences that will crash beliefs that limit, color, distort or completely block perception of all nonphysical realities.  And crashing those beliefs can eliminate them, as happened with Ken, and open perception to a much broader perspective.  Continue that process and at some point we stumble into far more basic questions that lead to greater understanding of who and what we really are.  

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I deeply admire Robert Monroe for the sneaky simplicity of his approach to passing on knowledge.  The fascination so many of us held for his descriptions of his OBEs in Journeys Out of the Body drew many of us onto a path we thought would lead to the ability to have such OBEs. But OBEs are just a minor landmark on the path he was really guiding us to. A path that leads to greater understanding of the nature of reality and who and what we really are.

And here I sit, frustrated at times by some of the loudmouth bullies who visit here just to argue over the details of the existence or nonexistence of realities they don’t have the foggiest notion that they “create and sustain” by the beliefs they hold and express.  They attempt to draw solid conclusions based on their analysis of realities created and sustained by beliefs held and expressed by whatever “expert” they’ve chosen to be their own personal “universally recognized authority figure.”  And then they attempt to jam their conclusions down the throats of others by brow-beating, bullying tactics that definitely lack the eloquence of someone like Monroe.  Thank God we humans come equipped with a built in gag reflex.

Oh well.  I guess, as an old musician buddy use to say, “I’ll just keep eat’in my burgers and play’in my music without much thought given to whether or not anybody listening might be enjoying the sound.”

Vajra, thanks again for your comments.  I really enjoy though-provoking conversations.

Bruce

Thanks for relating that experience. Intriguing. I must admit to being a bit confused about how we can create a "real" place (we can share with others) just by imagining it into being though; it makes you wonder where the line is between fantasy and reality. And is the place we go after death just the same - a bizzarrely malleable one where people's thoughts shape the surroundings they find themselves in all the time? If that was true it would seem a bit confusing and you wonder how people would keep track of each other or not get a bit exhausted by the psycadelic oddness of such a life.

I suppose one sceptical view - in a sense - could be that your participant connected with your visions telepathically rather then going to a "place" you created. I'm not saying that's the case, just musing.

Still much to learn. No doubt will get round to reading some of your books before long, which might help all to become clear!

Orlando said: I suppose one sceptical view - in a sense - could be that your participant connected with your visions telepathically rather then going to a "place" you created. I'm not saying that's the case, just musing.
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this has been discussed before also. if you think about it, telepathy also is still a new thing also in our society which cannot be explained why this also would exist, but too many people get it, to dismiss it, that it's just a dream, or its just mental telepathy.
telepathy would go a ways to explain how we are energy beings at our core and that then our energy mind fields will perceive another's communication as in merge or overlapping signals.
having or experiencing telepathy as the receiver or the sender is still a mystery, and usually a welcome mystery towards figuring what we are, how we can have this capacity where it becomes normal sometimes.
I was looking forward to a time when we no longer have to purchase phone service!
always leaping ahead I guess.

thanks Bruce you always give us a lot to chew over. I was curious what goes on in those classes and it's always mind boggling.

one thing I noticed personally, that when I'm out and about and interacting with a friend, I noticed verbal communication is most often dificult, from them to me. I find myself, since it's my dream, my exploration, my own stomping grounds so to speak, I do most the talking, while they are doing sign language, gesturing, leaping to make a point, body language. so when I read you did the arm waving and pointing, it caused me to think of the nature of our communications out there.

I realize a lot of people are still in the question of believing it is real or not, but I've moved beyond whether its real, its real for me, period. and yes, I occassionally still feel a little crashing because it is so real, it is uncomfortable to be slipping in and out, but its getting more and more clear and with it a happy feeling, I'm doing ok.

we get over crashes, we're a pretty flexible people all in all. so this body language thing, I can conjecture we may be able to move into a more verbal communication or just straight telepathy and with memory intact upon entering once more C1.

body movements are valid language. so whatever. body language, waving, jumping, its just one step away from an actual dance language of the energy body. I should be satisfied? haha!

maybe the nature of creativity is to spin ourselves off, just like a religious person might say god spun us off to give us free will to be, to become. well, we are co-creators, so we spin ourselves off too as is the nature.
I know from doing self retrievals, integrating children back into my being, they were real people in the way I was affected by the childish thoughts; just until I retrieved them and allowed them inside me, to come home. so this too would be like self spin offs.
also Gordon's friends would say they saw him out there too and he didn't remember. same here, only I sometimes caught a glimpse I was there. or brought back a feeling.

so we seem to be at a crux here. fascinating would say Spock.
a lot to ponder on these days friends. love, alysia

I figure there are places that only one or a few of us create, and places many people/spirits create. Some are created while in a state of delusion, some are created while clear minded. I figure that even this physical World is a very sophisticated mind creation.

The key is to get to the point where we can create according to love, wisdom, and freedom.

Maybe it's not so weird if you take it on the basis that mind creates, that everything we are conscious of (unless we achieve realisation and the ability to connect in some way with the absolute reality which underpins it all) is consequently the result of intention.

Bruce had several groups going at once, and he wanted to keep keep an eye on all of them. So he did. Perhaps the remarkable aspect is that he was open enough to perceive this, that the sight of several of himself didn't cause him to close down......

I was fascinated by Bruce’s with Ken's experience and the rest of the story.  Thanks Bruce for sharing it.  In addition to Ken’s facility with vividness and detail, it makes me wonder about the topography of the non-physical.  Everywhere we go is apparently a different place in consciousness.  I don’t think it makes any difference whether we pick up information from ‘there’ by direct experience or telepathically. 

What I find interesting is that Bruce and Rosalie’s Meeting Place is apparently static in that it isn’t changed by the various individuals who visit there.  Whereas my sense of some of the TMI areas is that they change over time because of all the traffic from TMI participants (The Park, Focus 27, TMI-There, etc.).  I mean if I saw too many anomalies in a place I visited, I’d be tempted to try and change them.  Maybe this place is preserved in consciousness as a teaching exercise. 

I wonder if anyone has any thoughts on why the Meeting Place Bruce uses in his workshops evidently doesn’t change. 

I would think that the library on focus 27 would never change and the hall of records either, and the crystal in the earth.