I am 19 years old, and I have astral projected often. During astral projections, I have seen both the physical, astral, and what I consider other dimensions.

It tells me a lot, lol, seeing the astral dimension and all. It means we exist in two or more dimensions at once.

Tell me: Is the "world" we live in just God's dream? Could we be a figment of God's imagination?

It is cool and kinda scary if you think about it.

Thanks.

i think there's no difference between a dream and reality

a dream is real when it happens

EliteNYC,

EliteNYC wrote on Aug 21^st, 2007 at 8:21am:

As a kid I tried to understand what God was and your thought reminds me of what I came up with.  I was told God was Omnipresent, so It had to always be everywhere at the same time.  It was All-Knowing, so It had to know everything.  I was also told that the stars and planets I could see were just a tiny number of all of them that existed in the Universe, and that the Universe was bigger than anything I could imagine.

My 6-year old boy logic was:

For God to always be everywhere at once whatever God is had to be at least as big as the Universe just to have all of the Universe fit inside whatever God is.

For God to always know everything that was happening in the Universe God's brain by Itself had to be at least as big as the Universe in order for everything in the Universe fit into the Mind of God.  

So, that meant that the easiest way for me as a 6-year old to understand what God is is to think of everything I can see in the Universe as "thoughts in the Mind of God."  So the Moon is just the thought of the Moon in the Mind of God.  Suns, stars, planets, oceans, lakes, rocks, trees, you and me, etc: just the thought of that thing in the Mind of God.

Somehow as a 6-year old I was satisfied by that explanation, and as an almost 60-year old and can't say as I would change that understanding at all as a result of all the explorations and ponderings I've done.

"A figment of God's imagination."  Pretty persistant figments that seem pretty real if you are one of them I'd say.

Bruce

Perhaps a key is to not make a distinction between thought and energy.

The creative thought energy that comes from God, is just as real as awareness (consciousness), even though it isn't changeless like awareness. Awareness only seems to change as diffferent things are experienced.

In line with the above way of thinking, despite vibratory rate differences, the distinction between the physical World and spirit World is conceptual.

If something exists, then it exists. Even if it seems to do so only temporarly, this is according to the concept of linear time.

And then, Identicat, we come to the rabble rouser who thinks he doesn't exist ...

I often get technical people who claim, "I don't believe in God." My usual response is, "That's OK. God believes in you."

d

The idea that god is everywhere in everything, and the idea that
god is good and loving, are logically incompatible. There is no way
that you can say that there is a good god in everything. It amazes
me that even supposedly enlightened people continue with this
delusion, even after the disasters of  hurricane Katrina, the
tsunami at Sri Lanka, and the earthquake at Bam, Iran.

I just learned this week about yet another horrible parasite. This
parasite is misnamed the heartworm, but it is in fact a lung worm.
It looks like a string of spaghetti, and infests the lungs of cats
and dogs, eventually killing them. Symptoms are like difficulty
breathing. It is transmitted by another horrible creature, the
mosquito. The existence of the flea, and a hundred other types of
parasites, proves that this creation is not good or moral. These
creatures are not the creations of a moral loving god. Also, the
whole biological system runs on predation, and has since the
beginning of life. Most creatures live in fear of predators.

The physical universe is an amoral machine, in which perfect
physical laws produce imperfect random results that are both good
and bad. It is not under the direction and control of a moral god.
All you have to do, to see this, is look at the evidence. Forces of
good have occasional input into the operation of this machine, but
they are not the primary controlling factor, nor the designing
principle. Pure Unconditional Love is not the principle of
operation.  The evidence shows this. The principle of operation is
whatever can happen will happen, and whatever survives is
permitted, regardless of any human type of morality. In this
design, time does not matter, there is no specified plan or
intention, except where the intentions of intelligent entities make
input into the machine. Otherwise it continues to run as it has for
billions of years, without regard for the welfare of man or beast.

Religious and mystical people are so addicted to the idea of a
parental god, that they are unable to deal with this reality.
There are no mainline religions that can deal with the horrors that
I have just described. What happens is that human minds become
schizo, and divide their mind into two compartments. In one, they
look at the unpleasant physical realities of nature that I have
described. In another part of the mind they store, in a protected
environment, the idea of the parental loving god. Thoughts about
the horrible creatures are not allowed into this compartment. This
is to enable a false paradigm to be constructed and preserved there.
There is a complete refusal to allow reality to be integrated into
this paradigm.

But I, being a logical Vulcan, have long ago integrated this, into
the paradigm I have briefly described above, and I still come up
with a positive outlook. This positive outlook is based on our
great success as the dominant species, and our ability so solve our
problems, and the brilliance of our inventors. And the fact that we
can live a good life in spite of the hazards, once we learn how.
I do not need the artificial palliative of false invented beliefs.
I can live well in a fully realistic context.

One of the reasons that this delusion, that the physical universe
is the work of a loving god, continues, is that we encounter love
in the afterlife and in astral exploration. People return to life
after an NDE experience with stories of "the love that passeth all
understanding", as the apostle Paul put it. So stored in our
unconscious mind, is this image from a higher dimension.
But the reality is, that this does not apply to Earth. People keep
trying to think that way, but it does not work, does not apply.
Heavens are creations of our idealism, plus whatever else goes into
their creation. But the difference between heaven and Earth is
huge, such that Earth and its creatures do not express the ideals
of heaven, no way. In fact, I have listed the huge difference
between the principle of operation between heaven and Earth, as
dilemma number one.

We can improve the quality of life here by applying moral ideas
that are stored in the higher heavens. But the original principles
of operation of nature will not be changed, will still be what they
are. Nature will still produce awful creatures that are our
enemies, and events that are disasters. And they will not be the
work of an imagined loving god, and will certainly not expess PUL.

Juditha, I find it interesting that you, one of the most religious
people here, are somewhat in agreement with me about the physical
universe, that it is not the product of a good god.

I am at war with religious delusion, because I follow the middle
East, which is a hell on Earth, created by religious delusion.
It is my thinking that by getting rid of the delusions, and
substituting actual reality based on visible evidence, that we can
correct some major Earth problems. You are further along on this
road than others, simply because of your ability to perceive
reality and describe it as it is, which most religious and
spiritual persons cannot do. They can superficially see it, but
they dont integrate it into their beliefs.

I hope in time to pass along to you my more positive view, based on
the actual reality of human progress.

If people started out with the paradigm that I am building, of
belief based on evidence, they would escape some of the belief
system crashes and the disappointments of life, that come from a
false starting belief, that is in conflict with obvious reality.

love, Boris

The collective consciousness of this planet takes us on many paths both rewarding and destructive. We are in a period of shift in consciousness and there are some negetive affects of this shift as the humans on this planet are divided on issues such as global warming, globalisation/modernisation and materialism vs spirituality.

Natural disasters, war and violence have been a reality on earth for many millenia due to the evolution of our consciousness that is exploring the concepts of fear, belief and trying to understand life that appears to be thrown at us. Individuals and groups feel powerless to begin with so the use of force and control creates power. We are emotionally attached to our viewpoints and fear others who challenge and oppose us. The majority of individuals are peaceful but there have always been enough of us to create conflict and division.

The holier art than thou attitude still exists in an age even when we know the consequences. Parts of the consciousness (nations, religious groups) keep treading over the same ground. The Arab-Israeli conflict - a classic example of a self destructive cycle.

I don't think its all for nothing, even though it seems anarchic - war, disease, hunger, the destruction of the environment, the extinction of species, the problems that the planet appears plagued by. Life on earth I don't think was meant to be a perfect paradise without any effort. Everything that has happened in the past has led us to the situation we are in now. But we can embrace a future where we choose out of love and free choice or continue to see ourselves as limited, imperfect and a divisive consciousness that is unaware in C1 of its own interconnectedness. Continue to delude ourselves.

So perhaps we live in the god/goddess/the all that is's dream but this is a dream where we can choose the direction. People aren't so powerless, its just so many see themselves as powerless.

I AM YOU! YOU ARE ME!

Never say die