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Is the "world" we live in just God's dream? (Read 8016 times)
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Re: Is the "world" we live in just God's dream?
Reply #15 - Aug 24th, 2007 at 4:15pm
 
A Question, Boris-
In a single world carved somehow out of emptiness by an existential tendency that we call "God" (although I often use the term "thermodynamics") and which is equally explicable in terms of phsyics as well as metaphysics, how could there be evolution?

The only possible answer is that the parts of the world must interact. And to do that, there will have to be many levels - from Planck size of 10-35 meters long and 10-44 seconds duration, right up to 28 x 109 LY wide and at least 14 billion years old.

As early critics of moral philosophy used to complain, Nature is "red in tooth and claw". But how else could it be?

This way, everything that happens is brand new - never before seen, never before accomplished, and thus is a creative activity. We are the fingers and toes of God. We think the thoughts of God. We are the wavefront of creativity that acts to organize this fledgeling reality as it projects itself ever farther into the Void. Thus we are part of a wonderful cooperative effort through which we grow up through the ranks and pay our dues, and then go on, hopefully, as Edgar Cayce put it, to become "Co-Creators wth God".  There is no other outcome possible.

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Re: Is the "world" we live in just God's dream?
Reply #16 - Aug 24th, 2007 at 11:44pm
 
I am not sure what your question is, Dave, but I do agree with your
comment that everything is connected.

As I look at my own aura, I realize how tightly connected it is to
me. I can't be separated from it without some major thing
happening. It follows me everywhere in an intimate and intricate
connection.

Yet I think of it at being a part of the invisible world, where
everything is so different, and the rules are so different. I am
carrying with me, a part of the invisible world, all the time. I
have commented in another post about how huge the difference is
between heaven and earth, that they run on different principles,
and how hard it is sometimes to get any communication between
heaven and earth. Yet here is this thing, my aura, that is really
part of the other world. Yet it is absolutely tightly connected to
me all the time. Its inseparable.

Bruce's current post here tells a story about all sorts of
connection happening, such that Ken was able to see everything, all
the versions of Bruce in the different groups. So I cant come along
and say that the physical mechanical world is separated from the
rest, going its own way independently, as if it were only a
machine.

The laws of physics still seem to be the primary determiner of
physical events. But every living thing has some sort of spirit in
it. Plants have auras, that can be seen by some humans and some
animals. So here I am, carrying around with me, my aura that
constitutes a very strong connection to a very different kind of
world. And Bruce is telling us that that world is also
interconnected all over the place.

While the physical world is obeying the laws of physics, the invisible
world is following its different rules, and these two different worlds
were all created together and interact together.
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Re: Is the "world" we live in just God's dream?
Reply #17 - Aug 25th, 2007 at 2:23pm
 
Hi Boris-
I'm not arguing with you, but I'm especially looking at your recitation of the unmannerly beasties that lurk out there awaiting somebody to eat, bite, infect, or otherwise bother. My point is simply that if we were to "invent" this reality in such a state that it would be self-educating and self-developing, we'd wind up with essentially what we see today. All the partially aware scientific disciplines claim a part of the answer, as do religions, but as you have stated, in the end all of those "answers" turn out to be part of a much larger global expression of a single principle.

I can't think of a way to build a universe without mosquitos, worms, tiny biting flies and so on. However, I do think of several ways that in my present form I can protect myself from such pests. A fine mesh window screen seems to keep out anything that flies, and basic standards of purity and cleanliness reduce the tendency for parasites.

The same kind of filtration on a larger scale seems moderately effective in getting rid of unwanted door-to-door salesmen flogging the latest floor sweeper or  unwanted intruders in my study. By selection of my life style I manage to get rid of the majority of thugs, goons and crazies, including those who are compulsively absorbed in screaming about their own ideas of how life must occur.

But all of these seem to be necessary. I recall the objection that if God knew that these were unpleasant, then God would remove them. Otherwise, either God is malicious for leaving these things, or, being unable to remove them, God must be impotent. I disagree. I take the perspective that all of these are necessary, as we learn nothing by settling into a comfortable pattern of stasis. A rock can do that, and gets nowhere. However, the biting bugs can grow up to be pollinators of crops, the crazies can get sane, the intruders can become productive citizens etc. And even people like me can grow from ignorance to a substantially broader perspective.

This is the ultimate meaning of everything being everything else.  We have to allow a lot of "everything else" to occur.

Given that, I am with you in a search for a simple global perspective in which we can equally express the physics of plant growth, auras, Kirlian anomalies, partnered activities in the astral, and sub-atomic processes. This is just the next level of connection.

Interestingly, a few days ago I was reviewing the Kaluza-Klein theories from which "string theory" emerged. In essence, Kaluza took two different phenomena, gravity and electromagnetism, and asked how many more dimensions might be needed in order to reconcile the two in commensurable terms. He started with about 26 added dimensions, later whittled down to about 5 or 6 by Klein. The idea is rather like taking an article in Greek and one in Urdu and translating both into French so that you can study an English translation that analyzes the single French text.

This is also rather like taking all our psychic data, Juditha's world, Bruce's world, your world, Vajra's world, the physical world, Alysia's world, my world, and so on, and asking how many conceptual dimensions do we need in order to express all of these as a single theory in which all these subsets are commensurable. This would be the ultimate theory that defines what it means "to be connected all over the place".  And I strongly suspect that in this we will discover mosquitos, biting flies, door-to-door salesmen and parasitic worms. We will also discover window screens, effective door closures, and ear plugs.

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Reply #18 - Aug 25th, 2007 at 6:36pm
 
Hi boris and dave and all.  I have always felt that God is the spirit thats inside us, but the spirit world in which our loving God resides as does his beloved son Jesus,it is the ultimate place of rest and love after all our earth lives come to an end.The physical world has beauty but it also has a lot of hatred and misery,the spirit world is where there is nothing but beauty and love.

The earth life is the living hell and i know we can create our own hell but not always, as hells can come to us through no choice of our own and there is only small bits of love and small bits of happiness on this physical earth but such a large bit is misery,suffering,disease etc,and whatever we do with our lives on this earth,we try to spread love thats either wanted from us or not wanted from us but we keep trying anyway.

These horrible insects that spread disease are not the work of God as these come along because cells grow and things like these are formed,its like the plague what took all those lives was because there was no proper hygene in those days,there were a lot of rats running about and this was the cause of the plague,not down to our loving God,as when they died and we die God receives our spirit into his heaven of pure unconditional love,where pain,violence,disease and pain does not exist.

I remember my mom calling God everything when my dad died and i told her that God was not to blame,God did not give him heart disease,God just received his spirit into his heaven of love and i know my dad is in a lot better world than i am,Gods dream is the spirit world where only love exists and Gods nightmare is the physical world because of what goes on day after day(Hell on Earth.Our loving God knows we make our mistakes through life and we are none of us perfect but his love is always there.This is what i feel about it all.



Love and God bless    Love  Juditha

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