Is it true that there is an afterlife. I have this feeling that there isn't. I have struggled with this meaning for awhile. It just doesn't seem apparent to me that i'm believing in anything other than my own mentality. I see God, and I think whoa, but i see the word Hell, and I think...the same thing. it's just a word. another false idea. If someone could somehow convince me there was an afterlife I would be happy...if i could even begin to believe in something i already want so much to believe in.

There is an afterlife.

I myself have astral projected quite often, and believable psychic medium books say the writers communicate with astral bodies.

You might ask "well then, how come some people do and some people don't have an out of body experience when they die and are brought back?" In my opinion the spirit may be unconscious for some time after physical death (maybe even days or weeks), depending on the person and how they die.

But we do have a spirit.

you said: But who knows that only rationality sets the right direction for reality?

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I know rationality is only a small part of our being. I'll have to respond later fully to your post, just to share my journey, not to convince u of a god, for I am convinced the collective mind is encompassed by an even greater order and collective mind which may be said to be this thing called god.

but in short PUL is beyond rationality, retrievals are beyond description by word. in essence to have an experience where PUL is an energy all around, and has that eternal sense of order to it, PUL encompasses logic and rationality in that way.
therefore, to have these experiences of PUL, we can safely say God is Love, pure and simple, not to complicate the journey, yet experience is necessary and not just bequeathed to the wisdom that comes with it attained through years, but I have noticed those in their 20's are born with certain knowledge I had to wrest from experience, so the world is safe, now that they have come to speak.

here is some rationality: we as souls are 3 in one. the seeker, the finder, and the observer who sits observing the other two. the observer is the higher, rational self and is also above our emotional tirades of the seeker and finder.
the higher self is one with god and does not question that truth.

love to you, you have begun, your journey is already done and you have arrived safely at home. alysia

Curiousgeorge,

curiousgeorge wrote on Aug 17^th, 2007 at 10:10pm:


From my experience I'd say that no one else will be able to convince you of the Afterlife's existence.  There will always be unanserable questions about the reality of anyone else's evidence.   There will always be, by the very nature of variations in the perception of individuals, differences and apparent conflicts in the evidence gathered by others.  The best shot any of us has, in my opinion, is to convince ourselves through our own direct experience of gathering verifiable evidence of our afterlife's existence.  Gathering verifiable evidence is easier than most folks believe and it happens for some participants in every workshop I teach.

The Basic Premise of the method is:

1.  Find a way to contact and communicate with someone known to be deceased.
2.  Gather very specific information from this deceased person that you have no other way of knowing except via this contact and communication.
3.  Find a way to verify that the information you have gathered is true and accurate.
4.  You now have evidence that the deceased person still exists, some where.
5.  Repeat this process until you are satisfied that you have completed the first three steps above.  Let the weight of your own evidence, put to every test you can think of, be the thing that convinces you.

Now even when the information you gather is very specific and completely verified as accurate there will be still be some folks who doubt the Afterlife's existence based on the evidence you gather.  Often such doubt comes down to two issues: alternate explanations; and to the question, Can I trust my own perception?

In my view all the mental gyrations some folks go through that attempt to prove or disprove our afterlife's existence by comparing evidence gathered by others will be fruitless.  The  actual experience of succeeding in meeting the criteria of the Basic Premise above uncovers a lot of basic understanding about the nature of human perception and its effect on evidence gathering.  Without understanding these effects some key assumptions folks make in analyzing the information will cause great difficulty in arriving at "proof."

So in summary I'd say looking for someone else to prove it to you has almost zero chance of success.  After the invention of the phonograph a famous French scientist came to America to witness the device for himself.  Upon returning to France he wrote that the phonograph was an obvious fraud and the sounds supposedly coming from the machine were no doubt the result of some clever form of ventriloquism.   After Columbus returned to Europe with stories of his discovery of a New World there were some who doubted it.  Some of them no doubt wouldn't believe it without sailing west and landing on that New World themselves.  

For many folks the claims of afterlife explorers supporting the existence of such a New World will argued about, rebutted and refuted based on analysis of the differences between those reports.  No doubt the honesty, integrity and mental capacity of some of us afterlife explorers will be called into question by some.  Some forum visitors who have nothing better to do than use bullying, name-calling tactics will take probably take part this skewering.  It doesn't matter, though I do wish they would be a little more civil and respectful in their posts.  Without any actual, firsthand experience of their own to use in their analysis they will never, in my opinion, be able to arrive at a solid, evidence-backed conclusion. 

Bruce