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AhSoLaoTsuAhhOmmra
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Aug 16th, 2007 at 11:12pm
 
  temporarily negative consciousnesses?

   Awhile ago, i woke up and saw a HUGE black spider up on the wall.  It seemed to be observing me, and as soon as it became aware that i was aware of it, it "fled" and quite quickly.   I jumped up off the bed, with pillow in hand to wack it down if need be, but as it went to the corner it disappeared. 

  I realized pretty quickly that it wasn't a physical spider, one it was way too big, and 2 it disappeared as far as i could tell.   I was kind of wary of its reaction of fleeing when i became aware of it.   Seemed sneaky and invasive in some way to me.  I'm not sure what i would have done if it hadn't fled like it did, this seemed to have triggered a defensive reaction in me.   I guess of some level, i was holding fear towards it.

  I put this out of my mind, and never figured out what exactly this was or what this event meant.    I saw it for a good 5 or 6 seconds and i was definitely very physically focussed.

  Anyways, just the other day, Becky woke up and saw a somewhat large, pale red tarantula size (though not as "fuzzy" and it was slender) spider, on the wall, and while she looked at it, it turned around and started walking away, but pausing a couple times and as she watched it disappeared.   She said she remained pretty detached the whole time/

     I'm not sure what this means, but i think it could be a interpreter distortion or translation, of a nonphysical consciousness (s), and our left brains picked "spider" because in the natural world, the spider is most well known for being a blood sucker...   Certain types of bats are too,   BUT, bats are less alien and scary than spiders generally speaking, because for 1 they are mammals like us, in a sense they are much "closer" to us than spiders, and spiders are known for "trapping" and/or stealthily hunting or observing prey before striking. 

   Spiders and blood sucking, could relate to blood representing "life energy", or ones own energy, and maybe these are entities which are trying to in a sense "feed" off of either Becky's and/or my energy field.   Seeing as one was black, and the other red,  this seems to indicate they are rather slow vibrating and lacking more purified light energies whatever they are.

   Well, i'm not worried about them at all, and i know that since i'm am not acting/living as if i'm pure light yet (i mean, i am pure light, but it's still "covered over"), i still have dark aspects of self which could attract such energies, but i wonder if i should try to do something active about it, or just try to be as loving and balanced as possible, which is something i do try anyways.   Maybe Becky and i could set up a 'force field' and intend that only constructive energies could come through?

   I wonder if its a case of, are they attracted to our light, or rather is it our unregenerated energy, which by and through like attracts like law, they are being drawn in by?  Does any of this really matter anyways?
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Reply #1 - Aug 17th, 2007 at 7:08am
 
Hi Justin, did you read Juditha's dream thread a while back about spiders?

I think it's interesting that visions of spiders are part of both of your households.

I really like spiders. I've never had one crawl across my face while I was asleep, however. Most of the time they seem a little brave and vulnerable to me. And very patient. Of course, there's the stinger.

Maybe it's the crab in me. I guess I can relate.

But, in this instance, size matters! If they were big black or red spiders hanging on the wall just staring at me I would probably act instinctively as you did. But how interesting, too, that you and Becky both saw visions of spiders.

There's that "twin" imagery again.

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Reply #2 - Aug 17th, 2007 at 11:27am
 
Because you both just woke up when you saw the spiders I’m more apt to interpret the experiences as dream like.  Your’s and Becky’s relationship continues to amaze me.  This twinning effect has usually indicated in my experience something new showing up or about to show up in conscious manifestation.  Spiders while often scary in our culture generally aren’t dangerous.  They inhabit dark places such as the subconscious.  In your post they are coming out into consciousness.  As you become aware of them, they disappear.  In other words they may represent something you are incorporating into you conscious existence.

I think you’re right about there being an interpreter perceiver issue here.  Of course the question is what the spiders represent and I don’t have a clue.  I don’t think of spiders as being attracted to light, thought.  More the opposite.  I’d say your light has exposed something that’s been hidden and lurking.  Bringing material into consciousness is always a good thing (Just might not feel that way sometimes).

Just a couple thoughts.  - Rob
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Reply #3 - Aug 17th, 2007 at 1:17pm
 
Ahso:

Hard to say, but perhaps you and Becky are relating in a manner that is causing your energy to be drained. It is interesting that spiders were chosen instead of vampire bats. Spiders are animals that tend to live within houses, while bats aren't. If I understand correctly, the spiders you saw were of two different colors. This could represent the polarity between you and Becky.

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Reply #4 - Aug 18th, 2007 at 1:27am
 
This is relevant for me also;  I will on occasion, wake up with my veil removed and see a shadow spider on the wall as large as you describe, Ommra.  I have even been visited by giant spiders in dark worlds filled with spider webs and dark forests.  In my own experience, they seem so be occasionally attracted to me at times like I am a joint of crack cocaine.

On a similar note, I dream that I was in my old house that floats in the middle of a black void.  The house is lit in gloomy shades of light and any dark corner of the home feels unsafe.  Not only that, but I sense that a serial killer has me where he wants me and is hoping to get the drop on me.

In another variation of the "old house" theme, giant spiders come out of the attic and slowly advance down a stairway that leads to the attic hole which is contained in a bathroom in an odd location (the stair leads directly to a bathroom without a door.)  Again, the house is shaded in dark-light lighting.
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Reply #5 - Aug 19th, 2007 at 10:28pm
 
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Hi Justin, did you read Juditha's dream thread a while back about spiders?

I think it's interesting that visions of spiders are part of both of your households.

I really like spiders. I've never had one crawl across my face while I was asleep, however. Most of the time they seem a little brave and vulnerable to me. And very patient. Of course, there's the stinger.

Maybe it's the crab in me. I guess I can relate.

But, in this instance, size matters! If they were big black or red spiders hanging on the wall just staring at me I would probably act instinctively as you did. But how interesting, too, that you and Becky both saw visions of spiders.

There's that "twin" imagery again.

love, blink Smiley


  Hi Blink, nah, i don't remember reading Juditha's dream thread about spiders.

  I actually don't really dislike spiders, though when younger i would say i had an average fear of them.   But since then, plenty of times, i've done catch and release instead of killing.  I consider them important and necessary, and they make beautiful webs, yet there is a somewhat 'sinister' side to them in a sense.   Yup twin imagery, dunno what it means though.

thanks for the reply in any case.
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Reply #6 - Aug 19th, 2007 at 10:54pm
 
Rob Calkins wrote on Aug 17th, 2007 at 11:27am:
Because you both just woke up when you saw the spiders I’m more apt to interpret the experiences as dream like.  Your’s and Becky’s relationship continues to amaze me.  This twinning effect has usually indicated in my experience something new showing up or about to show up in conscious manifestation.  Spiders while often scary in our culture generally aren’t dangerous.  They inhabit dark places such as the subconscious.  In your post they are coming out into consciousness.  As you become aware of them, they disappear.  In other words they may represent something you are incorporating into you conscious existence.


  Good points Rob.  Perhaps could indicate us integrating more with our "dark" side, or rather bringing that out more into the light so that it can be worked on, transformed, etc?   



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I think you’re right about there being an interpreter perceiver issue here.  Of course the question is what the spiders represent and I don’t have a clue.  I don’t think of spiders as being attracted to light, thought.  More the opposite.  I’d say your light has exposed something that’s been hidden and lurking.  Bringing material into consciousness is always a good thing (Just might not feel that way sometimes).

Just a couple thoughts.  - Rob


Yup, and part of the problem is that i have a dualistic perception or perspective of spiders.   On one hand i see them as integral aspects of nature, which can produce beautiful creations, and on the other hand there is the poisonous, blood sucking, and lurking in the shadows aspect which is something i'm not attracted to whatsoever.  Apparently some Native American cultures had a very high view of the spider, and even used the spider and its web as a symbol of the Creator.

   Anyways, i agree with you about the light aspect, spiders, meaning actual real spiders are not generally attracted to light.    But what i meant is, perhaps i was really viewing or sensing say a slow vibrating and lacking light consciousness which is trying to attach itself to my energy field (and maybe also Becky's?), and my left brain perceiver mind is translating it as a "spider" because to me and my mind, a spider might better represent that kind of an energy or mode of being, than most anything else, one because spiders are creatures who prey on others, suck their blood, are sometimes poisonous, and  who lurk in the shadows to hunt their prey by stealthily trapping them. 
I have a strong Fire energy in my chart and psyche, strong fire doesn't much like hiding, evasiveness, lurking, over subtly, etc.   I tend to be rather open in my thoughts and feelings, and tend to like the same in others.  I tend to have major issues with those who have strong Scorpio energies for example, because they tend to be so hidden, un-open, secretive, etc.

While an actual spider is probably not attracted to light, well sometimes it seems these low vibrating consciousnesses/beings are attracted to the light in others, and try to gain energy in a sense by
'feeding' off it, because one they sense its intensity and 2 because it perhaps is comforting on some level.   But, also and more often, like attracts, begets, and likes like, and maybe there are unregenerated aspects with me or us, which originally are what attracted these energies?  Either one could make sense, which is another aspect of the problem of figuring out exactly what is going on.  Either way, my interpreter isn't going to pick something like moths, which are known to be attracted to light, if these are representative of harmful energies in some way.   Moths to me, are pretty darn harmless.

Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts and feelings.   I probably should just look within and not ask for others interpretations.



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Reply #7 - Aug 19th, 2007 at 11:23pm
 
recoverer wrote on Aug 17th, 2007 at 1:17pm:
Ahso:

Hard to say, but perhaps you and Becky are relating in a manner that is causing your energy to be drained. It is interesting that spiders were chosen instead of vampire bats. Spiders are animals that tend to live within houses, while bats aren't. If I understand correctly, the spiders you saw were of two different colors. This could represent the polarity between you and Becky.



  Interesting points there Recoverer, but i'm not sure i'm completely following you on this.  I do think the above is a possibility, and i'm well aware that Becky's and mine interactions are sometimes 'draining' because of occasional ego battles or what not.   But that isn't anything new to me, or to the relationship, and we have lived together for about 6 years now.   Its in pretty much every close romantic type relationship, to some degree, sometimes, and often in many other types of relationships besides, doesn't mean both partners or parties are going to start seeing nonphysical images of spiders though...does it??

  And what's the point of getting this imagery, especially if i'm already aware of the occasional drain of ego conflicts and tendencies, which i am?   And in any case, our relationship more often than not, tends to be more energy adding or creating.

   As far as bats go, i already logically explained why bats wouldn't be used as a translation symbol, but i could go further in comparison.   Vampire bats rarely 'feed' off humans, most often they feed off cattle or farm animals, or wild animals, and their "methods" are such that oft times, they are not even noticed while even feeding.   Meaning, they don't really cause much harm or pain, they just suck a little blood, its not much painful, and its like a surgical incision.   In some cases there is the potential for transference of rabies or some other diseases i suppose, but i doubt this happens much.  So, even if a vampire bat tried to feed off a human, it wouldn't even be close to fatal.

  Again, bats are much closer and familiar to us in many ways, and mainly by virtue of them being mammals like us.   Evolution wise, much more 'related' and similar in a sense than spiders which are much, much older, more primitive, and thus in a sense more "alien" and frightening...frightening because we have little in common with them.   Also, most bats are not blood suckers, these are actually the minority, whereas most or all spiders are blood sucking, whatever actual type they are.   And quite a few are poisonous, and many trap their prey first, which i would imagine is a pretty "scary" or ominous archetype for many folks.   Probably why Tolkien used the giant spider Sheila in his books.  I'm sure if Frodo had to pick between facing a giant vampire bat and a giant web weaving spider, he'd might go for the bat 3 out of 5 times Undecided Cheesy Roll Eyes   Heck, i think i'd have to go with the bat myself, though the flying aspect would sure be a big pain in my arse (maybe even literally!).

  Anyways... more seriously, i do appreciate you taking the time to respond though.   Oh, and as far as the polarity thing, the colors were black and red, and while these are used as "opposites" in electrical work to represent negative and positive charges, to me, and for a long time, they are much more similar than "opposite".    If my interpreter was actually translating something like this, it most likely would have used complimentary colors such as red-green, orange-blue, yellow-purple for example.      
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This is relevant for me also;  I will on occasion, wake up with my veil removed and see a shadow spider on the wall as large as you describe, Ommra.  I have even been visited by giant spiders in dark worlds filled with spider webs and dark forests.  In my own experience, they seem so be occasionally attracted to me at times like I am a joint of crack cocaine.

On a similar note, I dream that I was in my old house that floats in the middle of a black void.  The house is lit in gloomy shades of light and any dark corner of the home feels unsafe.  Not only that, but I sense that a serial killer has me where he wants me and is hoping to get the drop on me.

In another variation of the "old house" theme, giant spiders come out of the attic and slowly advance down a stairway that leads to the attic hole which is contained in a bathroom in an odd location (the stair leads directly to a bathroom without a door.)  Again, the house is shaded in dark-light lighting.



  Interesting stuff here Steve, i would like to get back to you some more on this, but now we are having a really bad thunderstorm, and i probably should shut down the p.c.

Thanks for the reply
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Reply #9 - Aug 20th, 2007 at 1:35pm
 
AhSo,

I like your analysis of the interpreter/perceiver as it pertains to different possibilities for the spiders.  I should approach some of the symbols and images I get in the same way by asking what energy would I interpret in this way... and what are some ways other people might interpret it.  Reminds me of Bruce's discussion of Curt Leland's book Otherwhere a couple months back.  Leland's good with symbol interpretation.  So are you, AhSo - might be connected to your skills in astrology.

I think it's always good to seek information from other people - especially on this board.  It seems to me that there is often good feedback, suggestions, information, etc.

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Reply #10 - Aug 27th, 2007 at 6:16pm
 
Ahso:

I am not able to say for certain what the imagery was about, but relating to what you just stated, I've found that spirit guidance will point things out we're well aware of, until we actually do something about it.

Here's another thought. Spiders are also known for casting webs and snaring things. I don't believe tarantulas do so.

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Ahso:

Hard to say, but perhaps you and Becky are relating in a manner that is causing your energy to be drained. It is interesting that spiders were chosen instead of vampire bats. Spiders are animals that tend to live within houses, while bats aren't. If I understand correctly, the spiders you saw were of two different colors. This could represent the polarity between you and Becky.



 Interesting points there Recoverer, but i'm not sure i'm completely following you on this.  I do think the above is a possibility, and i'm well aware that Becky's and mine interactions are sometimes 'draining' because of occasional ego battles or what not.   But that isn't anything new to me, or to the relationship, and we have lived together for about 6 years now.   Its in pretty much every close romantic type relationship, to some degree, sometimes, and often in many other types of relationships besides, doesn't mean both partners or parties are going to start seeing nonphysical images of spiders though...does it??

 And what's the point of getting this imagery, especially if i'm already aware of the occasional drain of ego conflicts and tendencies, which i am?   And in any case, our relationship more often than not, tends to be more energy adding or creating.

  As far as bats go, i already logically explained why bats wouldn't be used as a translation symbol, but i could go further in comparison.   Vampire bats rarely 'feed' off humans, most often they feed off cattle or farm animals, or wild animals, and their "methods" are such that oft times, they are not even noticed while even feeding.   Meaning, they don't really cause much harm or pain, they just suck a little blood, its not much painful, and its like a surgical incision.   In some cases there is the potential for transference of rabies or some other diseases i suppose, but i doubt this happens much.  So, even if a vampire bat tried to feed off a human, it wouldn't even be close to fatal.

 Again, bats are much closer and familiar to us in many ways, and mainly by virtue of them being mammals like us.   Evolution wise, much more 'related' and similar in a sense than spiders which are much, much older, more primitive, and thus in a sense more "alien" and frightening...frightening because we have little in common with them.   Also, most bats are not blood suckers, these are actually the minority, whereas most or all spiders are blood sucking, whatever actual type they are.   And quite a few are poisonous, and many trap their prey first, which i would imagine is a pretty "scary" or ominous archetype for many folks.   Probably why Tolkien used the giant spider Sheila in his books.  I'm sure if Frodo had to pick between facing a giant vampire bat and a giant web weaving spider, he'd might go for the bat 3 out of 5 times Undecided Cheesy Roll Eyes   Heck, i think i'd have to go with the bat myself, though the flying aspect would sure be a big pain in my arse (maybe even literally!).

 Anyways... more seriously, i do appreciate you taking the time to respond though.   Oh, and as far as the polarity thing, the colors were black and red, and while these are used as "opposites" in electrical work to represent negative and positive charges, to me, and for a long time, they are much more similar than "opposite".    If my interpreter was actually translating something like this, it most likely would have used complimentary colors such as red-green, orange-blue, yellow-purple for example.      

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Reply #11 - Aug 27th, 2007 at 10:17pm
 
I dunno what the hell is going on in your world.. But in my world I have had two dreams with in the same week with spiders crawling over me in a small room.. I don't know what that means ??

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Reply #12 - Aug 28th, 2007 at 12:26pm
 
Several months ago I had this experience where I was in my astral body, and I flicked some spiders to my white ceiling with a white plastic spoon.  I dunno. Do spiders cross over well?
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Reply #13 - Aug 28th, 2007 at 3:02pm
 
Hi briggs dreaming of spiders crawling over you brings you luck as it means you are coming into money.

Love and God bless   Love juditha
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Reply #14 - Aug 28th, 2007 at 6:14pm
 
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Hi briggs dreaming of spiders crawling over you brings you luck as it means you are coming into money.

Love and God bless   Love juditha

Really?? I do have quite a bit of money right now..

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