Hey there,
@Mactek
Mac, you got it wrong.....read the quote again...lol, I said do not have to (fully, maybe that was what brought confusion) convert (it was at least what I wanted to bring across, maybe just using the wrong words, maybe it is unbelievable, I learned english for about nine years, and there are words I do not know, or how to express sth. I think it is not something to laugh about, or is it
) , to whatever our religion is, and they have not to be familiar with everything what we think of freedom, as it happens, there are mostly different views e.g. on how to handle sexuality (it is only an example, if it is no problem for you, and is not the way to to have it (how did you come to interpret it like this
), but to quote what I heard on phoenix, from an extract of an saudi-arabian "talkshow", saying that women in the western world would dress themselves like whores, it was more related to such a pov ) ...etc.
It is more important that they agree on our basic human rights, according to our constitution.
Have to tell about a documentary on islamic communities I just saw two days ago, and when I heard what the Imam told there, that muslims even if they live in western countries, have to stay away from everybody that has another religion, that blew me away. It is a good example of what is apart from being something according to our basic rights (freedom of religion). The other thing he was talking about was, that muslims, according to this statement, have not to accept the authorities, as they are no muslims. That is, of course, a "no go".
German religion, sounds stupid as well, you know that most germans are either protestants (lutheran) or catholic (I get a slight feeling of someone reading rightwing tendencies out of my post.....)
So maybe that would erase this little misunderstanding, as the constitution holds freedom of religion, and as it is no big deal to me what religion a person practises, as the key ideas are not that far away from being the same (prayers, a divine principle, salvation).
Just wanted to know where I said anything about a german religion, nothing like this exists (I think that the pagan religions are nothing the majority relies on, isn't it like that? The german religion....omg, I do not see our traditions or politics as something, that would be associated with a religion.
Or is it just too much to say "if you want to live here, accept our laws, try to learn the language (for me it is important, imagine, I would go to China, how would this work, how could I integrate myself into their society, when noone understands, what I am talking about, and yes I really consider, if I finished my bachlors degree in engineering, to move to another country to work there, probably an asian country, but in spite of this, it is way easier to get along with people in your "new environment", if you can talk to them) The language is in fact the biggest barrier, it is not as easy to learn as english, but it is also what causes isolation, it is not wanted by our government that they spent a life in a ghetto or sth., maybe there are the language courses I talked about, could be that they are too difficult, so that it maybe seems like a rejection itself... .
I do not believe, that integration is possible, if the ones, that want to be integrated, are not willing to, i does not work either, if people from here reject immigrants, but it is really like they are scared, that the immigrants come here to subvert our culture/society, only because they have different roots. That is the other side of the coin. It was not my intention to blame it on the immigrants, just wanted to say that they have also do a certain amount of steps that are required to be integrated, the biggest part is to do by our government, there has also be a change in mind by people of what I talked about, that refuse immigrants, because they are different.
I think you do know by now what I really think on this one, so if not, just tell me (maybe you would like to start a pm-session , I would be on!)
Acceptance and respect are also two sided, if I want respect and acceptance, I also have to spread the two of them. I accept the laws I am bound to.
So make what you want out of this, but it would not change the fact, that I totally believe in human rights, equality (so the origins do not matter), freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of thoughts (lol, if anyone could recognize what I am thinking), equality of men and women, I think that is enough, you know what I mean.
Maybe you could answer the questions I postet before, would be thankful if you do so.
But should I really care, as it seems it is just fun to you (I think it is not helpful if we are playing a little polemic game here)...maybe we could make a serious approach on this one, depends on you (maybe you prefer a polemic attitude, seriously, you took a quote out of the context, which clearly says what immigrants are NOT forced to, and pretend that I have written they should..)
@juditha
Yes, sometimes it seems like politics is like your dad thought of it.
You chose, which liars you want to believe. It would be better that they would not talk out of the blue and make the voters believe, that they are able to make tremendous changes, if they were honest, they would create a programme that contains little changes, that are realizable.
Sincerely yours,
pulsar