sorry Orlando....

No, no 123, not the night of the living dead sort of thing. Just that sometimes when we are out of body, we are not consciously awair of it. Some of the times it was not after a taped exercise but even during a break. Sort of like phasing. As for the autamata you speak of, when you go uot of body, your body still breaths, automatically, your heart beats, etc.
Joe

Vajra said: If I have right it's also taught that all of these realities all exist simultaneously in the absolute, and are all nested together.
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you explained it the way I would, I think you are good with words. I'd just add what I picked up from another source, from the book The Path, by Cozzolini. I had never understood focus levels of TMI, so when I read another description of focus levels it resonated better. Cozzolini describes these levels as a spider web anology. In the center of the web is the I Am. the circle of the web spreads out and around the center where the C1 sits. each layer connects to the next and yet the web is one thing. along the web, if something lands on the web it quivers, letting the C1 feel that quiver that something is there. Cozzolini didn't say all that, I was adding on. but he said each layer is another ring of consciousness, but that it was easier not to think of levels,but as rings or layers would be easier to conceive, as then we wouldn't be efforting to get to the next "level."

we have been taught down thru the ages enlightenment is only for the privileged few, the elite, so levels are a part of that misunderstanding. like Dave here says, it could happen that you would be enlightened already, and not even know that you were, because of our conditioning in society that it is unattainable for the common person.

Orlando, it has become real experiences. It is not that I say I believe it is real, but that it bothers me sometimes that my experiences are real because now I have become a little ostrasized from others and we all want to fit in with the crowd and it can't be that way anymore. it's not that I feel myself in love 24/7, its more like being at peace 24/7 and thats theres no problems I need to be solving as nothing is going wrong if you look at the whole picture of humanity with its struggles never ending. soon enough you know why, because we invent our own problems but we each have separate reasons tocome here, which is not our permanent home. my guides told me I already accomplished my intentions for coming here, so the rest is gravy and if I seem too nonchalant about what is real to me, I am 60 years old, I've probably had a lot more time than some of you, speaking of this lifetime, to accomplish what my intentions were.
its sort of like the book, what color is your parachute? the intentions we must figure out on our own. my guides told me its up to me now if I want to have another go at it after I transition and I was thinking I would like to be someone's guide as a spirit, perhaps 5 or 6 people's guide, or I should say helper, not guide, as helping sounds better. I'm also thinking of another solar system to explore. but I'm probably getting ahead of your thougths. sorry! Thanks Orlando for your talks with us, it does help that you have an open mind.

its a journey. look towards what peace means and it's as good as in the bag.

thanks for your response Orlando. I noticed you are studying Buddism? a good study my opinion. I noticed you are in touch with your feelings and express them well. believe it or not there are many of us not in touch with feelings and even if they are, loath to express them. so I see you in a good light, on a path and making progress.

I especially like the way you said you were glad that you are glad..

hope you enjoy Monroe's books, then the next step might be Bruce's books, as they seem to go together well. then when Vicky's book gets here, lol, we can make suggestions to one another anyhoo.

I don't know what your aggressive male voice is a spirit or just a part of your energy component.
there appears to be some conflict you will solve. perhaps being on this board will help to figure it out. I hope so. although I know the real work is not coming from a bunch of people on a board. the answer is within you. anytime you get messages if there is unrest in it, and not a peaceful feeling, not an aha moment with the attendant wonder, I would just gently tap aside any messages not like love. not offering to you something beneficial to think on.
pretty soon anything not good for you to know, it just stops coming in, as it has no home.  that goes whether it is an interfering entity or just some paranoia or fear thought that does not need to be there.

it seems like to me, that thoughts are things, that they are alive, that they want to survive so they feed off the host.
can be bugging, so when there's that conflict, recognizing the conflict is there is first step. 2nd step is choosing to interact with the conflict to resolve it. heres what I have done sometimes. to show interaction
My chooser: (to thought I don't want) you again? thanks for your input, I am not needing your services, return to wherever you came from, I want to think a love thought, or a joy thought or something other than what you offer.
Unwelcome party: You are seriously missing some of your marbles...
My Chooser: I disagree. I am a child of the universe, I deserve to be here and have my unique journey without interference from the likes of you who says I have lost my marbles...I choose what I wish to think upon. buzz off.
Unwelcome party: I have come in my aggressive manner to help you realize you are a chump.
My Chooser: begging your pardon? Are you aware being a chump is a valid journey? Like I said, I choose the things I will think upon and what you are offering me is not love.

so you get the picture Orlando. if you get yourself a guide, the message will always uplift you, never tear you down. There are times in the beginning of development that voices in the head are accepted to be your own self and not recognized as nonphysical guides. This can be like noise that you can quiet down eventually, sometimes it may even be grid band noise. Affirmations I have found helpful to our minds, to keep out too much noise. Noise always has confusion attached to it. When the noise goes away there is a quiet place within you and you hear only the sound of quiet which means you have found your center point.
messages from guides, or call it intuition will be easily recognizable by a feeling of encouragement that you are doing well, which I for one think you are, or I don't think you would even have found us on this board if you weren't well on your way. we are not an easy bunch to understand Ijust realized!
love to you, alysia

if such a button exists, its not on my machine Orlando. but I do have a Quote button if I want to include the whole post to enclose. sometimes I use a different color ink if it's a long post.

I never met dalai Lama, sounds like treat, but I did meet a couple of speakers on the Course In Miracles where the feeling of being uplifted was similar to what u describe. the fellow who introduced it to me had a soft, sincere voice, not pushy at all, not too excited, just explained his personal journey with the Course.  He opened a peace garden? what a great concept of words.

u mentioned people being honest is one thing, people dumping anger on others is insensitive. but the problem is people don't realize how they hurt each other this way. so I guess it was her opportunity to let him know.
well I've always been crazy but its kept me from going insane! ha! ok, I'll leave you alone now. you take care and all we can do is the best we can.

orlando123 wrote on Aug 16^th, 2007 at 1:16pm:


how interesting. wouldn't it be nice if we could put war in a museum?

Must say  think the vibe emitted by most Tibetan Rinpoches and the way it acts directly on your state of mind whn in their presence is one of the most powerful arguments there is that they have to be doing something right.....