Hi Orlando,
Monroe was a radio producer/engineer.  He used the analogy of turning the dial on a radio to describe changing your consciousness to different focus levels.  So what you read is correct.

I'm not sure about Bruce's zones.  I know he talks about focused attention - your attention is on consciousness area "A" and you want to shift it to consciousness area "B" so you have to move your attention from A to B and focus it.  It's similar to Monroe's analogy.  Bruce though adopted the idea that an experience is stored or retained in the area of your consciousness where it occurred.  If you want to recall or revisit a particular area of experience you have to focus your attention back on that area of your consciousness. 

I'm sure others will add their thoughts. - Rob

orlando123 wrote on Aug 13^th, 2007 at 12:55pm:


I think about this subject alot so I'll try to input.  I don't recall Monroe saying that specifically in any of his books but I've often missed points with the first read through, we tend to see what we want to see, the first time.

I do recall Monroe was obe and having a bit of a tug with trying to place his astral/energy body into someone else's physical body and it just wouldn't coincide and unfortunately  as he decribes it the rightful occupant gave him hell.
after which he navigated over to his own house and entered his own body and woke up perplexed at his mistake. which would indicate there is an energy body, attached by a cord of light which makes sure the physical is animated while the astral (appears?) to be in another location. astral to mean emotional to mean a form one has, sensed as a form of energy, a cohesive energy/thought form.

then I've thought, and its just thoughts, that perhaps our universe is not "out there."
maybe we are looking through eyes which project, on mind film the same, our entire movie, from within, not from without.
then when doing retrievals I've noticed the retrievees appear, to themselves and also to my senses as solid bodies just like us in C1, yet I know I am not in my bed, interacting, I am in a location of the mind of the retrievee, again, to all appearances.
if time/space is simply a slowed down frozen vibration of energy, then we can also say both worlds interpenetrate one another, one visible, one invisible, but in the same "space." but neither can we assume one is higher than the other, as in levels, because levels belongs to the earth physical vibrations.

easier to see dimension sliding when trying to image these areas within and the different rate of energy vibration which makes it possible to see these dimensions and even interact with them. especially so if we are projections, probes of our higher self, then it is higher self directing the show on the canvas of physicality which our C1 interprets as reality.
for instance, in the spirit world of those who transition, we are the ones who are "dead" to them, so go figure!
so then if you consider there is no solidity, all is energy, it no longer seems to matter about time/space and that structure. I see myself moving through a sea of energy, as an entity of form such as has a resemblance to my emotional state, and spiritual state as well, but basically an energy body with faster moving particles.

well thats my attempt at science! hope that helps. love, alysia

hawkeye wrote on Aug 13^th, 2007 at 6:03pm:

I agree Hawkeye, I have taken forms to suit the occassion. also I talked with my deceased grandmother regarding image and form of the receiving party.

my grandmother was assisting for several years as my mothers transitional angel, causing her to reflect on her life, etc. I asked nanny why she was using her old lady image; she said it was because that was the way mother saw her in her mind, not because she particularly wanted to be that older image. we tend to get younger in our appearance, 30 seems to be the general age we most often portray.

Seeker said: i think part of our soul is still in heaven while we're alive on earth, just kind of sleeping.
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this would be like the I/there.
I agree, but not about the sleeping part, or I would change the one who mostly sleeps is the C1. this because I met my future self and she was wide awake. she did a number on me, rather I did a number on myself.

This is not an easy one to get into any kind of intelligible framework, maybe because we are not equipped with the kind of awareness and knowing to properly handle it. We're very much set up to think in the terms of the logic and concepts that apply in this reality.

Yet it's widely taught that this relative reality is not for real - that we 'imagine' it into existence. As in the case of all other states of awareness except the primordial, the absolute, the only, the great 'I am'. As though mind somehow warps this primordial fabric (which is perhaps itself mind) to create  whatever sort of reality it decides to manifest.

This implies some sort of simultaneous creation and placing of our 'selves' in that creation. That the  the mind that creates a local reality (dream?) and places itself in and as a part of that creation.

But this separate mind having created a local reality then seeks by selective perception (by 'falling asleep'?) to maintain this reality - by exclusion (or at least inability to perceive - we for example  routinely lose awareness of for example this reality when we dream) of other realities.

This mind is not necessarily the mind of you or I. More likely the collective mind of all the beings in this cosmos. Which by the time we experience it seems to have further split itself down to the level of individual humans, each trying to repeat the act of separation by building another series of ego bubbles or cocoons at this next level down. (is it possible that our minds contain further minds - minds that think they too exist as separate beings?)

If I have right it's also taught that all of these realities all exist simultaneously in the absolute, and are all nested together.

If I have it right again all of these realities are simultaneously accessible to us. The only reason we have problems doing so is that having imagined up this time space reality and collectively spent lifetimes maintaining the illusion and  building egos which depend on its existence for validation we struggle to overcome our conditioned need to do so. (and our fear that any negation of this reality will lead to our extinction)

So for open access to the whole lot we only (ha!!) need to drop the ego and open so that we start to truly perceive. (become realised) And having done so (realised ourselves as Buddha) it requires only intention to access any reality at will. Even multiple realities simultaneously as the constraints of time and distance are meaningless outside of this local reality.

Back here at the ranch the illusion of time (I guess) means that as we progressively shed the conditioning that causes us to see only that which we think we should perceive we experience a progressively widening awareness - we become able to perceive ever more realities.

But until total realisation it seems we continue to experience these realities as 'humans' visiting from what we consider to be THE reality....

Hawkeye could you clarify what she meant please (or was she just making a joke?)

Mm my post seems to have resulted in some interesting but fairly mind-boggling posts. I feel a bit at a loss to know what to say , especially as many of them relate to experiences I've not had. Anyway, thanks for offerring your perspectives on this complex issue.