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Peaceful suicide to create a personal dimension? (Read 5125 times)
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Re: Peaceful suicide to create a personal dimensio
Reply #15 - Aug 14th, 2007 at 1:09pm
 
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I suppose this life is as good a place as any to experience "not love" or even to imagine that "not love" is what we are experiencing at times...

love, blink Smiley


I find this a teeny bit self-satisfied. Just because you are fortunate to have a continual sense of being loved it doesn;t mean everyone's life is like that or that they are lacking your insights because of it. Maybe some people just go through more bad experiences than you have so they don;t feel so supported and loved? Having said that I admit I know nothing about your life and you may have dealt with horrendous traumas and still retained your trust in God's love. If so, that's great. It's got to be better to keep feeling positive rather than it's opposite if you can.
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Re: Peaceful suicide to create a personal dimensio
Reply #16 - Aug 14th, 2007 at 4:49pm
 
I understand why my statement seems self-satisfied, Orlando. It is not that I have had a wonderful life all the time, certainly not....

But I do value what I have learned from the experiences I have perceived as negative in my life. They make me who I am.

I definitely have not always felt loved, and I don't always feel loved now. Human emotions don't allow for a person to feel constantly loved...no matter who we are. That's why we need to learn to love ourselves.

However, there is an overarching theme of love within the miracle of life itself, which, to me, is almost impersonal but not quite, and so grounds me in this life. I choose to see and feel this love. If I did not, then I would have many more enemies in life...

I guess I have come to realize that, for me, I am often my own worst enemy. This overarching love, which I can feel when I am mentally "clear," may all be in my imagination. I'll grant that.

However, it is wonderful to be immersed in it, and to hear occasional messages that appear to be directed to me and to others. Perhaps I'm just a "glass half full" kind of person. I try to be, anyway.

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Reply #17 - Aug 14th, 2007 at 5:11pm
 
I see, well I wouldn;t want to try and take that away from you. Sometimes I guess I feel I shouldn;t post too many skeptical things on the net in case it just makes people feel down, but then pointing out skepical arguments is a way of learning and of seperating truth from facts IMO. I agree that loving ourselves is a good thing too, and I agree withe the common view that you can't properly express love outwards to others if you don;t also have it for yourself as well. That doesn;t mean thinking you're perfect and not trying to be better, but at the same time you should be able to forigve yourself for the shortcomings and move onwards and upwards and believe in your potential to be a good and beautiful being (and same for others, however badly they sometimes behave - we don't for example, know the experiences and thoughts that lead to the bad things others do, only our own). I've never done anything terribly bad, I'm happy to say - I am sure it is easy enough to do so, in the spur of the moment, without being outright evil, or even repeatedly, maybe out of out of anger and despair - but I think we should always be able to forgive ourselves even then, if we are sorry and see our errors,  and make a new start - I think that is one key  message that Jesus had. Loving yourself and loving others is win win  Smiley Hatred and anger are destructive. Simple, but sometimes difficult, truths. I try to be loving to myself and others but quite often fall short, but I do try. I think it is the basis for buidling a Heaven on Earth and that is what we should be doing and not only waiting for a better one after death. Sigh, we can but try! Sometimes life seems so much more complicated and stressful than it needs to be.

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