Darth said: ps. Laffinrain. Women are 
still held as second class citizens in the christian religion...Try becoming a priest or minister
in the catholic or protestant religions...and I'm not talking about TV evangelism.
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I disagree that women are held as second class citizens. what I do agree on with this thought of yours is that one must learn as a woman, or as a man, to command respect from all, which is simply be not afraid to speak your truth quietly and exit fast if a mob is chasing you down.
I make a confession now that I am the proud holder of a certificate Alysia is a bonafied minister of the Church of Spiritual Humanism on the 24th of August in the year 2004. YAAAAYYYYY!!!  it even has a gold seal on it, what more could I ask for?
Hey, anyone can get this certificate for $15 off the internet. I was joking around with myself when I did it. Now I'm just flat out proud to announce I believe in you Darth, I believe in humanity to overcome all avenues of slaughter in the name of god.
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DaveMBS is one of our more courageous members who thinks he is a tube worm, and I don't know, maybe his wife thinks he is a worm too, so lets not be picking on him, I'm sure his wife will straighten him out, you see women have that ability with their men.
Darth, love will set you free, after it crushes you in the threshing field, let love be your guidance, forget religion. Force is not the answer.
You are on the right track as far as I can see to question everything.

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Since here in Germany the birthrates are that low, that probably the population will be in maybe 40 years at about 60.000.000 (actually sth. around 82.000.000, I don't know what you think of post-WWII, but I think it is sad if the population rates fall that deep, think even as a german you are allowed to be sad about this, since we got rid of the little racist freak, so right wing nuts do not play a role anymore) the CDU (christian democrats) stated in their newest programme, that the only thing that could stop this "downfall" is going back to the conservative principle of families, what actually means: man makes career, woman stays at home with the kids (I thought it is the 21 st century, where is the problem when these roles are swapped????)
I think it is kind of unfair, think about unemployment rates, and you come to the conclusion, that it is hard to come back into business after being pregnant ( the few weeks you are allowed to take off are maybe enough to have a hard time finding a job, that can last a few years!!!, since companies decide to open branches abroad, where there have not to pay for health care or have not to pay for high security standarts , no, it does not mean for me to avoid having babies in favour of your career...). But that is only one fact, and it certainly does not mean that you are supposed to be out of business because of being pregnant, and it is not what (thank god!) happens to every woman.
But in a society, based on christian values (the first few articles of the constitution contain also human rights, as there are freedom of religion, speech, equality of man and woman, that rather have their roots in liberal humanism, remember writers/philosophers from the elightenment period, but humanism is also affected by christian values, to give you one example, Immanuel Kant who at least said that acting in a moral way is connected to believe, without faith in god there is no moral action possible.. etc.) how comes that, that women are making less money (i don't now if it is the same in the US) while doing the same work as men?? It's no joke or hyper-red propaganda, it's true....
And if you can believe the news, than  statistically the number of women getting mobbed (according to their gender....) rises on and on. What a freaking nice right-moral-having-and-pretending-to-serve-equality-and-pretending-living-accord
ing-to-a-christian-influenced-constitution-society, and yes, there you come to the point that actually the christian type of values are only part of understanding the history of how the constitution came about, they are not of any worth today, what is kind of sad, think about the ten commandments (for Kant they were like THE moral code!).

I know, this one was very political, but I think a few point fit together with the quote/ topic, it's something to think about. I hope in the afterlife there are no political systems

Love,

pulsar

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I think it is not Christianity or the politics, it is more about the people that actually decide how to go on in politics.
So it is not  Christianity or Politics as an institution, that I do not like at this time, but how it is interpreted.

And how high or low wages are, is made through discussions between trade unions that stand for the working people and the business administration of a company, so I still wonder why the differences between what a man or a woman earns for a living are still there.

And even if modernisation is important for development of thoughts, social circumstances or the outlook on the world we are living in for now, the "older" views, be it on morals or believing, are more drained to the background. I was a bit scared when I heard, that the next evolutionary state would be quantum computers, at least in 20 years scientist claim to be able to build computers that are able to make own decisions via ai, nearly at the possibility of a human mind. A principle that I think would work better than only rely on getting ahead, could be expressed like yesterday+today=tomorrow. So without respect for yesterday there can't be let's say a better tomorrow. And that is something that also the younger ones ( I think I still belong to them ) should also consider, they are not living just for their everyday fun (means not, that fun ist unimportant, I recovered fun after  4 years of perfectly denieing it as a part of myself, that is also important for my spiritual growth, without fun I think some sad part remains in your soul in the afterlife, and if you not care for it today, you would have to make it then), but that it is also important to have a certain amount of responsibility of what every action today means for your tomorrow, or the future of the children you will have to raise, it's I think a part of our nature, and like you described it on laughing-rain.com, as a kind of personal gift to the world.

The possibility for a woman to be the breadwinner is there, but less of the people use this ability (I think that I am going to raise the children I will hopefully have, since my parents were always fighting about rainsing me and my brother, my dad has not taken a big part in this when we were small chidren, but if one as a man want to have a closer relationship with his kids, it is important to have at least a 50/50 sharing of caring for the kids) . I don't know if I have the right to say it seems sometimes, there is some kind of patriarchalic thought concerning the outlook of a family to the relatives or the people around town, that you know, and it is still easier to find a job as a man, when you were out of business maybe for health reasons, than as a woman.
But at the age of 45, it is difficult for both genders to find work, companies mostly want the younger ones for working, thinking they have fresh ideas. And even there a mix of old and young is important, the younger ones can benefit from experience, and the older ones could be given a new perspective of thinking by the younger ones. And also retired people are taken to teach the younger generation, what I think is an amazing step, so they do not sit alone at home and suffer from having nothing to do (for the retired), they were also raised in times, where respect and discipline were more important, so they can pass this two things on to the future generation. A perfect example of one in all and all in one, if we would stick to it )
America seems to be more flexible in this "breadwinner-issue".

I never thought about maybe being a woman to, only that I am very emotional not only emotional worries, sometimes I just wish I could do more to my family, sometimes I drown in this emotional lake what at least stops me from getting ahead. (And even if I am often told by my family that I do not care, I do care more about them than they now. I desire  at least to make a bachelors degree in engineering, I always wanted a job that I like to do, not only for the fact to have money. But I also considered to get one, where I could maybe support my parents if they would ever need this support (maybe when they retire) But before considering that I should pass my practical training, since I screwed my highschool exams (takes 13 years to get them in germany) I have the possibility through that training to gain the permission to study, the theoretical part is gained automatically after only 13 years of school, but I have to stick to one subject and have no longer the possibility to study what ever I want) . They have paid long enough for my living, now it is my turn )
I mostly had the impression that the feeling of "I do care about you" appears stronger from women, also the care for emotional problems and let's call it downtimes, then from men, could be possible that men decide not to show much emotions for not appearing as "douchebags" (what is very stupid....).

But after all, all what we discovered and invented, the emotional level between people, and also things like faith, trust, maybe in something higher than we are, should be also made again a part of our world, before people started to misuse faith to start wars, it was a big part of being able to exist. And in times where you are daily reminded that your time is running out, it is important to have this place where your soul can rest and you do not get sourced out by everyday events. You should do everything that is possible, but not start to think you have to work 48 hours a day when you have only 24 .
I do not wonder about that most people are unsatisfied with what they doing, because it does not come from the heart but only from the intention "you have to". So quantity reigns over quality. The bigger and more, the better, it is at least what the overall impression of society wants to make us believe.
We are more human than we sometimes want to believe we are. And if it does not change, we will never come to the point to discover what life is really worth. I personally do not believe that after this earth periode it is over and out. We begin to discover this part, but should on the other hand not only care about it, but consider it.

That was enough for this time

Love,

pulsar

I find this interesting. This is Bruce Moen's site. He strongly supports the premise of finding out for yourself. Yet when it comes to whether or not Jesus Christ ever existed as a physical person, people limit themselves to the psuedo intellectual banter of a source such as the one Darth posted. I say "limit," because some people won't consider the other side of the argument. Berserk (Don) presented some good points when this issue came up before, and it seems as if his points were completely ignored.

But I'll get back to experience, since this is Bruce's site. I used to wonder if Jesus actually existed. I did so because I was turned off by fundamentalism.  But fortunately I was open minded and open hearted enough to consider the possibility that the truth of Christ goes beyond fundamentalism. I found through numerous experiences that can't be doubted that Jesus Christ the person did indeed exist and he plays a key role in the spiritual welfare of the human race.  I also realized I had a few experiences in the past that suggested the same, it was just that I was too obtuse to realize their meaning.

As a result energetic blocks from my heart chakra up to my crown chakra went away.  Any belief system can cause a block, including prejudicial thoughts towards Jesus Christ. If a person is truly interested in getting rid of each and every energetic/psychological block that retards his or her spiritual growth, he or she might consider whether or not they are considering the issue of Jesus Christ accurately.

Regarding the crucifixion, through various spiritual means I found out that Jesus Christ was in fact crucified. This fact doesn't go away no matter how fancy of an intellectual argument somebody comes up with.

Regarding the importance of the crucifixion,  before Jesus came along people in his part of the World didn't understand that there was life after death.  Jesus came along and let people know that there is such a thing.  He taught them how to live their lives, if they wanted to end up in a nice place after they die.  He spoke to the masses in a day where the media wasn't anything like it is today. He had to speak in terms that could easilly be passed along by word of mouth. The fact of how he rose again, allowed many people to believe that life after death does exist.

People such as Bruce Moen have wrote that hell like realms exist. If you live your life in a negative way, your own sowing might cause you to end up in such a realm due to how you create your state of mind.  Sure there are some people who call themselves Christians who don't live in a positive way. This is true in all walks of life. What is important is how many people "have" been inspired to live in a positive way because of their faith.  I know lots of Christians who have been inspired by their faith to live in a positive way.

There is also the factor of the effect of opening one's self up to the spiritual support of God and Christ. I've found that it effects one in a very positive way. I don't see how a person can be against such a thing, simply because it doesn't fit into his or her viewpoint of what spiritual reality is.

There is also the issue of prayer. Lots of people believe that prayer has a benefit.  Bruce Moen suggests the same in his own way, when he found that the planning center responds to our requests.  Therefore, isn't it possible that the planning center responded to the people of Biblical times, and provided them with the Messiah they were looking for? A Messiah would be recognized by signs, including the sign of someday being crucified and rising again.

There is also the factor of the release of the holy spirit into the World, shortly after the death of Christ, as described in Acts. This viewpoint isn't limited to the Bible. This viewpoint was shared with Robert Monroe, when Rosalind Mcknight's spirit guide told Robert Monroe the following, as recorded in her book Cosmic Journeys:

"Robert Monroe: "So therefore, love is the only energy that will utimately create the healing and transformation of our planet?"

Rosalind's guide: "That is indeed so. Love is a powerful energy that is to be not simply understood, but lived. The great love guardian of your planet, known as the man Jesus, came from the highest God-energy to teach the pure lesson of love. That is why all humans have come to planet Earth, to learn to love in the fullest sense of the word. The one called Jesus came to show you how this can be done. The magnitude of his love polarized the fear levels, which is what caused his physical body to be crucified.

However, the spirit of this highly evolved energy being was released into the world to break through all fear barriers. This is known as the Holy Spirit, and helped tremendoulsy in the evolution of the planet. This is the energy that is helping the earth to shift into its higher levels of energy and is leading to the millennium or the 'thousand years of peace,' according to earth-time frame."

How can such a thing be possible? I can't say for certain, but I've found that when one raises one's vibration rate, one makes a connection to love and the World of spirit. Perhaps Jesus did so to such a degree, that an energetic connection was made to the World of spirit that benefits any person who allows his or herself to benefit. This is true even when a person opens up to love, without thinking about Christ.

The importance of Jesus can't be determined by people who haven't chosen to be inspired by him. It is determined by those who have. If people who have been inspired by him consider the event of his crucifixion to be important, THEN THIS IS WHAT MATTERS. It is quite presumptious to tell another that he or she can't be inspired in such a way.

When it comes to beings who represent the light, they aren't a bunch of dummies. They probably understood quite well that at times Jesus' teachings would be misrepresented. Yet, he was still sent with his mission.  Perhaps it is better to consider what these beings of light saw when they looked at the big picture, rather than what a disgruntled, prejudicial viewpoint tells a person. I don't get it. The spirit World tries to do some good for this World, and some people just aren't open to appreciating what was done.