Is there a confusion between Cristianity and colonialism of the organised churches. To have had the story of Jesus/Christ last such a long time, there must have been a presence. I have no doupt that the story itself has been altered to suit the writer and to make money or have power over people but the sprit of the higher power is.

I agree with Vajra in that there are elements of truth in the New Testament which appear not to have been doctored or modified.  However, as others have pointed out, the circumstances of Jesus' birth and death are nearly identical to the births/deaths of other spiritual sages.  Moreover, certain elements in the stories of such spiritual sages appear to have an astrological undertone or theme.  It is reasonable to assume, therefore, that the bible is a synthesis of a story of a real man, co-mingled with at least one religion that preceded Christianity (as well as any deliberate modifications put in place by those in power to suit their agenda).

There are things I agree with in the Bible, like the difference between the flesh and Spirit.

But then there is the talking snake, etc. I mean... maybe it could (or did) happen in the spirit world, but a talking snake on the physical plane? Lol.

Also, to me, even though I believe in God, the God in the Bible sounds pretty mean.

true Darth, we have a way of making god in our own image don't we? amazing our creative capacity. I wonder if this is the bible's way of saying we have false idols?

Every book is a work of fiction, Darth. Every historical record is a record written by humans, and we are notoriously fickle and false when it comes to recollection of events passed.

Every book is written, even if written in sections, by writers who cannot have a whole perspective.

So, what is different about the Bible? Why do we tear into this old bone over and over? Are we like dogs that need to chew on something familiar, something hard, something with substance?

There are so many ways to look into the Bible, Darth, and you know this. Perhaps you come back to this issue again and again because you feel like there is something you are missing.

You will find what you are looking for.

love, blink

I am very happy that you brought this article to us.
To me, it is a huge relief, to get finally rid of some Christian
doctrine. It has always been a great burden to my logical mind.

The most nonsensical part of it to me is the crucifixion: Jesus
died for your sins. How can anyone who lived thousands of years ago
die for your sins? What is the purpose of that? Did people stop
sinning because of that? Of course not. And what father wants his
son sacrificed to him, because of someones sins? The Bible tells
of people making sin offerings, going way back. Like, I am offering
this in compensation for my sins. Offering yourself is like the
ultimate offering. But it makes no sense when the offering is also
the son of the god, to which you are making the sin offering.

I have known for some time that it was part of several stories of
that time period that the usual avatar got crucified. But it is a
relief to have this article give substance to the idea that this is
a created fictional story, taken from many sources.

Meanwhile, I agree with Darth that the belief in this character for
hundreds of years could have created this entity in the Astral.
Because such entities can be created this way. The name Darth
reminds me of Darth Vader. It would not surprise me if Darth Vader
now exists in the Astral.

Or, some entity in the Astral could assume the identity and
appearance of Jesus, for some purpose. Or, an historical character
might have existed, who now fits the role of Jesus, and can appear
as him.

At any rate, Jesus now appears, as a materialized entity, in
stories of divine interventions and healings. He appears in the
stories from Near Death Experiences. If he did not exist then,
he appears to exist now.

He also is quoted by channellers
claiming to quote him, claiming a relationship with him. The
internet is full of that. Seeing that the name Jesus Christ is a
fictionally created name, made from the combining of two different
earlier entities, Hesus and Krishna, does put a new light on these
claims, which I have disbelieved anyway. That is, there is
confusion about whether such claims could be authentic, and now
that we see that the story was probably made up in the first place,
that puts such claims in a different light, as part of the overall
con job that is everywhere.

At any rate, the values that the Jesus story presents, are values
that were developing at that period, and these values are
important, and were brought here and became part of America.
Compassion, caring, love, the story of the Good Samaritan. The
world was ready for these values, and Christianity became their
carrier. Because of what happened then, we have teachings of love
today. For comparison, parts of Islam are now teaching war, where
Islam has been hijacked by barbarians.

dave_a_mbs wrote on Jul 28^th, 2007 at 3:27pm:



True Dave...But I'm not making a 'Black Chicken' out of the Jesus character...But. All the
supposed teachings, attributed to Jesus, were around already. ..Buddha for instance taught
the same things...and the mother of all religions 'Hinduism' clearly state this....At the
supposed time of his ministry, there were no doubt countless 'holy men' wandering the
countryside in the middle east, back from their journey's and studies in India(The silk road
was a famous trade route from china to the middle east)...preaching what they were taught
from their gurus...Tell me something jesus said that was so profound and not known among
the spiritual community then?? Nothing!!...Look at us on this board!? We all know about love,
compassion, helpfulness, service to others, tolerance, etc, etc, etc...Why are we not spiritual
giants or mentors?? ...When questioned at a recent press conference, the head of our local
accident and emergency department of a large hospital in my capital city said.."Drugs account
for about 10% of admissions, Alcohol account for about 70%. If alcohol did not exit, I would
have to fire at least half my department."...Jesus, in his first miracle turned water into wine.
...Couldn't they enjoy themselves without being drunk??? After all they were in the divine
company of the "Son of God". One wave of his hand and they would be exhilarated!!? Forget
the booze...Darth. May both sides of the force be with you...ps. Laffinrain. Women are
still held as second class citizens in the christian religion...Try becoming a priest or minister
in the catholic or protestant religions...and I'm not talking about TV evangelism. And Dave,
it seems there is fear in your post...Why not call jesus a %#@*&8*&^%..After all, he'll
forgive you?....Hmmmmmm. Maybe not!!!!!