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Re: spiritualist church  just cant fit in
Reply #15 - Jul 28th, 2007 at 7:00pm
 
I didn't mean to speak sharply to you, Boris, but I get a little worked up about these sorts of issues, as you know. I do not mean to demean your experiences which you have every right to share and I apologize for any language I may have used which singled you out.

Juditha, you and Deanna have every right to how you feel about your lives, and you also deserve the time and the care to build up your confidence if that is what you need. I know that I feel more confident when I can tell my truth and be supported in it, even if it is a difficult truth.

Definitely, this situation will be in my prayers, because only good can come from exposing the truth, whatever it may be.

Juditha, you and Deanna are only doing what you need to do to feel free. I agree with a few of the other posters that there must be other places of worship you can attend, at least for a time, where you can experience real fellowship on a human to human level. There is nothing wrong with wanting or seeking that, and there are many ways to do it.

Taking up hobbies that you can share with others is one great way of finding some relief.  For me, it has been very healing to go and listen to music with others, and to really get "into" the music.  It really lifts my spirits.  I also need alone time when I'm tired.  I have picked up a card-making hobby that I can share with my mother and sister. Little things like this mean a lot to me right now.

Maybe they can for you too.

love, blink Smiley
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Reply #16 - Jul 28th, 2007 at 11:58pm
 
Oh My Heavens---  Lips Sealed

First and foremost---- Judy and Deanna--- please send out thoughts of love to those who have misinterpreted your spiritual aspirations.  To all those who have disappointed Juditha and Deanna   in their expectations of what a true spiritualist is:  I sent out the chakra color "green" to surround you and bring peace into your hearts.  When ever you see green, think : green is love. I send you love.  This will become a mantra and the mantra will change ugly into beauty. This is the first step.

Second--- These persons of indifference are in your life to "teach you a lesson".  What positive lessons are you and Deanna learning?  One of " We are better human beings and will send out positive loving vibes so that the Spiritualist group will learn from us what true, unconditional love is ???  What true Spiritualism is?"  Search for the "good" in the lesson that God is sending to you via the Spiritualist group.  Think of how the circumstance may have changed if you "gladly cleaned up after someone" and gracefully exit the room.  That may have dropped a few jaws from the kindness.

Third--- Don't judge/else be judged.  We can't stand before God and say: I did this because  so and so made me angry but I felt justified.   You can say "I became angry and responded poorly and I ask for forgiveness".    I have had to swallow many of my words in my 58 years!  They weren't so easy going down the spiritual esophagus.  My lessons have been just as difficult for me as they are for Juditha and Deanna, because all lessons learned are personal and tailor-made.

Fourth: Begin your own "circle" of mediums, seers, psychics, and "spiritualist".  Begin with a  mutual evening that is agreed upon for you and your sister. Next,  choose a topic for the evening and stick to it. Do your research and have a book handy that you can refer to. Casually invite members of your family and acquaintances/ do not press anyone to attend. Let it go------.  On the designated evening, say the same opening prayer or mantra to be used at each gathering.  If only you and Deanna are the only two, enjoy the evening, and the topic.  Continue your "circle" each week, see the positiveness and love in the meeting, and eventually others will drift in.  You will find that the same persons will attend from week to week and occasionally  your regulars will bring a guest.

Fifth:  after establishing the group on about the third or forth week, suggest that you have a "kitty" or "pot" to put in a couple of dollars which will go toward the tea, cookies and eventually when you have enough, get everyone who attends regularly the same paperback book to read regarding some phenomena or subject that will be of consensus. 

Sixth: Always end the evening with a positive Thanks to All. 


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Reply #17 - Jul 29th, 2007 at 2:29am
 
The odd thing, Juditha, is that after all this time you still don't
understand it. There should be some kind of explanation.
I cant see anything wrong, from reading the posts you put in here,
but real life situations can be quite different.

My social intelligence has improved considerably in the last two
years, because I have stayed in situations daily that required it.
I did not understand, in some situations, the effect I was having
on others, until I put more attention to that.

We have had to deal with 3 women here in my area who did not
understand the effect they were having on others, and they produced
serious problems.

You might want to put feelers out to see what people's attitude
toward you actually is, and where it comes from and see what you
can find out. When I began dating when I was in college, if things
did not go well, I asked the girls to tell me what was wrong. They
sometimes would not talk about it, but when they did, I learned a
great deal. As a result of this knowledge I was able to do much
better. Perhaps you could get a friend who could observe how things
go in your social life, who could figure out what was going on. Or
maybe someone who knew how people felt toward you could clue you
in. What they tell you might hurt sometimes, but at least you would
have an idea what it was.

Also, even when you are older, the brain continues to grow and
rearrange itself, so that you can understand what you did not
understand before. You might be able to figure things out, in time.

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Reply #18 - Jul 29th, 2007 at 11:26am
 
Those are some good thoughts Identcat. A nice way to start a group of their own, when and if they are ready to do that.

In the meantime, I don't think it is tremendously helpful for people to continue to speculate on what Juditha and Deanna have done "wrong" at this time. When people are discouraged it is the last thing they want to hear.

What is needed, in my opinion, is a break from that community and its perceived frustrations. I do not think it should be this exhausting for them to simply participate in group activities at their church.

Certainly, having gratitude for what they have received at the church would be appropriate, but agreement on other issues is not necessary in my opinion.

When people are trying to develop confidence their feelings can sway back and forth over a large emotional field. That is what I see happening: emotions swaying back and forth from happiness with current successes to grief based on a lifetime of a certain kind of loneliness.

Most artists of any sort suffer from this instability, and sometimes the very instability is the bottomless well of inspiration that they can draw from for their insights.

Artists are not generally spending much of their time thinking about how neat the tea service is, etc. etc., or even if there is enough money for tea in the first place.

Bruce calls his retrievals an "art" and so is mediumship.

I think the first thing is for Juditha and Deanna to recognize that mistakes are in the eye of the beholder. Change often causes upheaval...I think it's a natural thing. I personally take the stand that a little "craziness" from an artist is sometimes the price you pay for their gifts.

Often, that craziness is just the truth.

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Reply #19 - Jul 29th, 2007 at 12:12pm
 
Greetings! Wow!

Identcat's format for getting a group together works well ! I used it in my past community for an arts group and later for a book/discussion club, and it built solid groups that still exist there decades later---thanks for laying it out, Identcat !  It takes those super-sensibilities and social conflicts down a tone while a  support structure for a new focus (  Cheesy  oh no, here we go again Cheesy ) yes, using crumpets and tea, helps softens tensions.

Blink, it's so true also that spiritual exploration, and sharing it, is a fine art. I would love to explore ideas about this more. Someone once said that when the Romans fed Christians to the lions, that was the best possible promotion for Christianity and that it accounted for the huge conversions to Christ's way that helped spread the religion. But that's extreme  Shocked Roll Eyes  and there must be other means for presenting super-human capabilities in a human way.

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Reply #20 - Jul 29th, 2007 at 3:09pm
 
Hi Identicat
I thought I had healing techniques down pretty well, but your brief summary is as good as I've seen anywhere. Thanks!

Regardless of Juditha and Deanna - you've given Me a much needed reminder, for which I am grateful. And of course for the two of them, I fully endorse what you said.

I especially like the part about , "I got angry and responded poorly." Listen up folks - that's the real thing. Cheesy

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Reply #21 - Jul 29th, 2007 at 3:22pm
 
Hi everyone i have been reading all your comments concerning me  and juditha at the spiritualist church and i thank you all ,it is so hard for us both because we do not treat people in this way and it hurts a lot when people treat us this way ,i am a healer and i have been refused everytime i have asked to do some healing up the church ,reason , i smoke ,i know i shouldnt smoke really but i cant see what smoking has got to do with healing also i was told i would have to have my hair cut to do healing because it is too long and it will affect the healing process somewhat ,all these feeble and ridiculous excuses for me not to do healing at the church i just dont understand why they are treating me this way and juditha is a medium yet they will not recognise this it seems me and juditha are singled out all the time to be made to feel we are not worthy to do anything at the church ,this  is  what hurts  and confuses us ,we are just not accepted at the church like we should be love deanna god bless
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Reply #22 - Jul 29th, 2007 at 4:11pm
 
Hi Blink identicat dave bets and aylsia kate and vajra and boris I and Deanna are going to do this ,get our own circle started and healing circle.im going to have it round my house until we can afford to hire a hall 2nights per week,thanks so much identicat for suggesting that we start on our own as we had not thought about doing this and thanks all of you for your loving words and advice, we will let you all know how we progress,thanks so much for who you are and for being on this afterlife with much much love from i and Deanna.

God bless you all   Juditha and Deanna    
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Reply #23 - Jul 29th, 2007 at 4:23pm
 
Hi Deanna, I'm glad you write it down, how you feel. you don't post as much as Juditha and I was wishing to hear from you. I don't have much to say, only that mediums since time began have a unique journey because you are different. if it helps you any I managed to get kicked out of a few places too..although you two were not kicked out, still, you are in the same struggle I was in to be accepted.
its just not going to happen, about being accepted.

just consider the movie about Field of Dreams. they said in that movie a great truth. "build it and they will come."  So you two are in process of building something; you are building your own characters daily. Be proud. You are a child of the universe, you belong here. You will own your own soul through struggle; and I for one applaud the mission you've taken on. keep strong, as somebody's got to do it, what you do, and before you were born you chose to be and do as you do.

anyway, you got us, don't you? lucky little angels you! love, alysia Smiley Smiley
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Reply #24 - Jul 29th, 2007 at 4:56pm
 
Hi aylsia Thanks for your loving and encoraging words,they say that angels walk the earth and all of you are loving angels to me and Deanna.

Love and God bless    Love juditha
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Reply #25 - Jul 29th, 2007 at 7:57pm
 
Thanks alysia you are so kind ,you are an angel lots of love and god bless deanna
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Reply #26 - Jul 29th, 2007 at 8:17pm
 
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as usual, my gratitude to Juditha and Deanna, the twins who help each other.
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Reply #27 - Jul 30th, 2007 at 5:23am
 
It is a shame legitimate mediums (or people who want to become mediums, like yourself) get so many obstacles in the way of you.

Of course, you seem to have joined the wrong group. They sound kind of; I don't know... odd. Try joining a legitimate group of people like yourself, or who are interested in the same subject. Of course, you do not need a fancy building (like a church) for legitimate spirit communication; just the right people. Maybe you can search Google for your town and for a group in your area with the same interest. If not, just keep posting here and we'll try helping out.

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Reply #28 - Jul 30th, 2007 at 2:48pm
 
Quoting Alysia: "I managed to get kicked out of a few places too".
This has aroused my curiosity, about what kind of place does not accept
ppl like u, and what you did that bugged them.
Who is accepted in what kind of a place is an issue to me,
that I like to learn about. I have successfullyy fitted into
a Moslem group even though I am not Moslem, and I can tell you,
that is an art, considering the difference in religious and political views.
I have had discussions with my lovely Moslem online girlfriend
about issues of integrity involved there. But I dont misrepresent myself there.

But if you don't want to talk about it, I dont want to drag up awkward memeories.
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Reply #29 - Jul 30th, 2007 at 3:15pm
 
Pls excuse my ignorance here but just what/who is this Spiritualist Church any ways? If I under stand the posts your hair need to be a certan length to administer healing, and ony certan people have the rite to do so. Sound like fixed ideas and suppression of others. And I thought that was a Catholic thing.  Pehaps if I could find out more about this church you speak of. Is there a web page?
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