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Response to Alysia about God
Jul 23rd, 2007 at 4:27pm
 
On Mental Eclipse's hello thread, Alysia/Laffingrain wrote the below (I didn't want to take over Mental Eclipe's thread, so I started another thread.):

"Also, many people on this site seem to believe in a god of some kind. I'd be interested to hear why these people believe in a god, and what evidence they have for his existence."

Response: For various reasons. To begin, my night in heaven experience showed me that God does exist. Not in an old man in the sky sense, but as the divine source of everything.

Since this is Bruce Moen's forum, I'll explain things in a manner that relates to some of his perspectives/experiences.  A person is aware of and can think about everything that happens within his or her consciousness.  The same is true of the higher self consciousness of a disc. The same is true of the planning intelligence Bruce wrote about. This intelligence is aware of "everything" that goes on within its multi universe consciousness.

If parts of the source of all can be aware of and think about the things that exist within their consciousess, then why can't the source of all be aware of and think about the things that exist within its consciousness?

Numerous people have written of near death experiences or other mystical experiences where they experienced cosmic consciousness. During such an experience they understood that God is the source of all, and that God understands everything that happens within God's consciousness. I purposely stayed away from the word "he" so it can be seen that there is a God who is aware of everything--but not in an old man in the sky sense.

To suggest that God needs us in order to be aware, is the same thing as suggesting that the planning intelligence needs us to be aware. The situation is quite the reverse. According to what Bruce learned when he met the planning intelligence, we make use of the planning intelligence's "lent" awareness.  When it lends its awareness unique experiences are created. But certainly its awareness and ability to create doesn't come into being only after we are created.

Both Robert Monroe and Bruce Moen wrote of a Creator. The being they met at the aperture. Perhaps they thought of calling this being God, but didn't because of all of the concepts that are associated with God. When Bruce asked the planning intelligence are you God, the planning intelligence told him that if he would've traveled to one disc further than the planning intelligence's disc, he would've reached God.

Yes, we're all God in the sense that everything comes from God and we help God with the process of creation. But a leaf shouldn't forget the tree from which it comes. Nothing wrong with a leaf feeling grattitude, humility, reverence and love towards the tree, just as any child would feel towards a wise and loving parent. In the end we find oneness with each other and God through the beingness of God, not independently.

Some people might feel uncomfortable about the above. They don't want to have to look up to anybody. They listen to their ego when they think in such a way.
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Re: Response to Alysia about God
Reply #1 - Jul 24th, 2007 at 12:55am
 
hello dearlight. u honor me to invite my response. I'll do my best. the point we do agree on god is not a "he" nor a "she" but if god is an independent being of androgenous proportion, a totality within itself; as most of us have not met such a being of light, we can only use our imagination, which surprisingly, imagination does yield up very good insight from time to time. I do not know of Monroe's experience, nor Moen's, who have met or not met anything like a being of light. I do not know of your experiences either.
I do know you know of PUL. Pul is God. But that will not be shared within a word. I know you struggle to share your experience, even as I do, of this PUL.

As does Bets, as does every single one wish to be of service, in PUL.
I can imagine to meet such a big disc or light would bring instant death of an ego which contained items unlike love. you or I would be stripped naked in such a light, in other words, humbled, like I said, an ego death is just as excruciatingly painful as a real flesh and blood death. Yet the reward is freedom from falseness; instant transformation into our essence where eternity is found.
I assume, we are not here to avoid dying. to the ego, to falsehood in our nature, which amounts to belief systems we cherish, because we made the belief systems.

My first retrieval at first bothered me, that the boy (was he another self of mine?) the boy screamed out in agony GOD HELP ME!  blood curdling it was Albert. at once I looked about to see if God would answer, because surely God would answer this poor boy. my guide (my future self?) who had brought me here said I would have to answer for God. and so I succeeded in answering for God by removing him from his delimmea just by getting his attention and talking quietly.

this was a monumental turning point that I could be of service to life. it was like an initiation in a way. A big spiritual roadsign.

that explains why I believe in unity of us all to be God, I call it All That Is, and none are left out of the circle.

where we need to get to spiritually is to be able to stand before the light without dissolving from its intensity of truth. so we can say Light is God.

Since PUL is a mind expanding thing, I do believe you are on the right road as I am also within PUL and compassion for all, as we all struggle to serve one another, some more so than others.
for my part, the most I can do is lend an ear to others. Frequently, this is what they are feeling gratitude for, to be able to be heard, and come to their understandings all on their own.

and now for a little song to end our lecture:
"if you get to heaven before I do, just tell my friends I'm coming to! coming for to carry me home! Swing low, Sweet chariot, coming for to carry me home!

wait, I thought of something else to define God: Bets will understand this well;
during this time of the shift in consciousness, twin flames are being called upon to unite which amplifies the power of the divine upon the Earth to unite the 3 dimensions into the fourth, then into the fifth levels.
When this uniting occurs, it occurs first on the inner levels, in obes, in dream, with the memory in place, that something huge just happened (as in a merge)

when the twin flames unite, it is not likened to romance. it is way beyond those thoughts and there may not be candlelit dinners and flowers (darn!) yet what happens is a surrender of individual concerns into unselfish pathways, and the roles of man and woman are dropped, they are not a man, and a woman, they are the same essence. they are also opposites coming together, and these two become one androgenous being as the ego is surrendered into the union.

this act does away with a duality world once and for all, which means the damages of our judgments upon one another, and PUL makes a heaven on earth as was promised long ago.

and then the scouting party meanders its way back across the sky and some great being of light says, why are you always late for dinner? sit down and eat.

love to you all alysia
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Reply #2 - Jul 24th, 2007 at 10:30am
 
Very nice thread, You Two,

Nice as in helpful, caring, loving.

Thank you!

Bets
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Reply #3 - Jul 25th, 2007 at 1:49pm
 
Alysia:

Last night I was shown this forum again. Once again your photo showed (I don't know if you saw my post on another thread where I was shown this forum with your photo, and you had a big smile.) I don't know why. Perhaps because of this thread.

I agree with what you wrote, except I don't know about the twin flame part.  Perhaps you're speaking of twin souls.  I don't know how to fit that viewpoint into the disc/I-there/oversoul viewpoint. I figure all disc mates are close since they are one.  In the end we're all one.

On the other hand, I figure that in the end,  after going through the experiences we go through, we bring all kinds of gifts to the goal we're working towards. The twin Soul way is one of many ways of doing so. If there is such a thing as Soul mates, perhaps it's true for some but not for all.

You're welcome Betson. Smiley
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Reply #4 - Jul 25th, 2007 at 2:56pm
 
Hi there. I'm going to order some books on twin flames. it apears to be what happens during a shift in consciousness that these souls polarize and balance each other's energy. I'm going for the science of it, rather than the idealogical emotional aspect.

we really are not our emotions. these are tools the soul traveling here utilize and identify with, but we can rise above emotions to control us beyond reactionary status and shift us over into creative thoughtful realms for to end conflict and warring. PUL is not an emotion; I would say love is an emotion which like all emotions is transient and unstable until it is felt all the time, then it changes into a stable energy within the soul.
we now have speeded up the 24 hr day into what reduces to a speed up of time felt to be a 16 hr. day. so we are in the shift now.

From what I've read so far on the internet, we have opposites attracting at this time for the polarization to manifest the divine plan on Earth. As the flames unite, energy of creative thought is amplified from the joining bringing about the heaven on Earth that the bible speaks of as 1,000 years of peace. (lol, it bothers me what happens after the peace is over, but not my problem I guess!  as always its one step at a time for me:D

opposites joining bring us into the 4rth dimension of consciousness and into evolution of higher good. we remain self creators of our world through what we focus on as a desire for peace worldwide by focusing on creating a peace within our individual minds to maintain that climate above all and not reacting to what we see with our eyes, as in an emotional negation. this becomes "catching."

Soulmates and twin flames are not the same thing.
soulmates is one who has agreed to show up in your life trek to walk a ways with you. they are recognizable if they seem familiar and the relationship is easy to fall into and without obstructions. One can more than one soulmate, and these are not always just a lover. they can be family members.

Twin flames union is orchestrated by higher powers..like moths to flame, we should keep a check on fear reactions when this happens as fear, an emotion will also be magnified, amplified in this joining as would be the emotion of love. focusing on the love then is important to fulfill our individual destinies during this time on Earth.

I am staying parked in the higher realms as much as possible to allow surrender of my self interests in order to be of service to the higher powers I work under, otherwise said to be god, and these days for which I have no name for god.
I am very excited in a calm way, for the shift in consciousness I see going on all around me so I'm not alone.

just some sharing. I have to go read those books, drive me car to a high cloud, lol. love, alysia
oh, yes, I read about that other post Albert and responded. I guess u didn't see I did respond several days later when I finally saw it. sometimes I don't get a notification in my email theres a response to a thread I'm watching.

you are picking up I am advancing in my soul to be able to smile into your mind. thank you for being interested enough to be able to see me, as it is you who opened the door, as it must be for all of us.
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Reply #5 - Jul 25th, 2007 at 3:33pm
 
Alysia:

I'll keep my eyes, ears, and mind open, and see if I receive any messages about twin flames. I'll also check out your response on the other thread.


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