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Spirit came last night  a scent of vomit (Read 11480 times)
vajra
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Reply #15 - Jul 23rd, 2007 at 9:51am
 
Ta Juditha. Who can tell what's going on with some of this stuff, but it sounds credible.

The tough question that follows is just how the heck do we wake up?? What's needed?? Are we missing something, or is it that all have to complete the hard slog towards awareness over many lifetimes. Is it possible that the talk of a shift in awareness in the run in to 2012 may even be true?

It's hard enough to live properly when you know what you should be doing, but most don't even consider the possibility that their conditioning is off the wall. We've built a culture that teaches very little to kids except force, violence, advancement at the expense of others and rule of the fittest.

On what Juditha was told. I suppose it'd be odd if what was said on that issue did not resonate with the broad thrust of what's been coming through in recent times. Not to mention that it seems that this sort of communication has to draw on the mental constructs of the person receiving and so it will always sound a bit familiar.

Not to mention that as above the vomit is pretty original and by no means a cliche....
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Re: Spirit came last night  a scent of vomit
Reply #16 - Jul 23rd, 2007 at 10:00am
 
Greetings,

Boris, you said:  "These are not the lovely creations of a good creator."

It seems like what you question here is a variation on "why must we 'die' ?"
We have to die to the earth plane sometime, and of some cause.

I too wish that we can leave without suffering.

Love, Bets
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Reply #17 - Jul 23rd, 2007 at 10:27am
 
Hello again,

Vajra just said: "just how the heck do we wake up?? What's needed??"

A response just came to mind that on Earth we have such a wide variety of distractions from love that we forget to love sometimes, much of the time. We get too busy with the distractions. No other planet has such a wide variety of materials from which we build our distractions and then aske for more.
Then Toshka, Christ, all of the wise ones tell us simply to love.
We're so busy with our own little take on the distractions that we say, 'sure, we will love, in our spare time, after we've dealt with this and that.'

What if the big and *only* test on Earth is to learn to exist in loving,-- within that band of energy that contains brotherly, romantic, devotional etc etc loves,  despite the tests of distractions that come in every sensory form that can be imagined??

To me that answers the question, Vajra.
For me to live it is another matter. I would have to simplify,simplify.
I would have to raise my vibrations and do so at any moment I felt them falling off due to some disturbance or distraction. I would have to offer loving thoughts while driving in traffic, when the TV's on, while carrying out the garbage.... Just writing  this I can feel the difference, now to keep it going !
Thank you, Vajra!  (And thanks to Toshka too.)

Love, Bets
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Reply #18 - Jul 23rd, 2007 at 11:31am
 
Hi Bets. As ever the simple answer is the truth.

We're so driven to complicate our lives. And not only do we do it, we see it as desirable, as sophisticated.

Yet as Buddhism teaches all this ever deepening layer of conceptual thought does is to obscure our inherent wisdom and compassion.

I still wonder what the how of this is though, in that I don't think it's asking us to go back to living tribally, or like the native cultures do. There's a higher solution which in effect squares the circle so that we manage to live a higher level of intellectual sophistication while at the same time not being eaten by our minds - not letting the 'mad monkey' get out of control.....
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Reply #19 - Jul 23rd, 2007 at 5:32pm
 
Hi Boris I dont really understand all what Toshka is giving to me but  i myself can only say that worms and all is that i read  that there was to be seven plagues on the earth being locusts ,spiders ants or something like that,not sure if im right about this.

I love you to Boris and I  am slowly getting towards copeing better with life, so thanks for wishing me well,its strange when Toshka communicates with me he does this so fast with his words that i am writing very fast and i do actually get some vague image of him in my mind and he looks like a pale jade colour and thats all i can see of him,but i feel a very strong sense of goodness and love from him.

Love and God bless   Love Juditha

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Re: Spirit came last night  a scent of vomit
Reply #20 - Jul 23rd, 2007 at 6:18pm
 
hi juditha, keep your open mind and allow the messages to come through. As for the seven plagues thing, it sound like more of that organised religion cr-p attempting to scare the heck of of people. The only plague on this planet is the attempts of some to rule over others and the destructivnees and greed of us humans.
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Re: Spirit came last night  a scent of vomit
Reply #21 - Jul 24th, 2007 at 12:09am
 
I found it interesting, and to myself good evidential stuff that Juditha posted Toshka up here with her saying she needed help interpreting it as it was not at once clear to her what was coming thru.
this shows me personally, Juditha is the real thing, in training perhaps, but then I have found no masters walking around here in flesh, so we are all in training in that respect.

in essence Juditha allows us to respond. we love to talk. she gives us a chance.
that is the nature of her beauty and courage. to be reporting as a medium in this day and age still requires the utmost courage to go public. especially when u know darn well you don't know everythng there is to know which she admits.

Like Vajra said...the vomit is a totally unique touch..not sure I'd have the courage or desire to report a foul smell. but as I think about it, we here on Earth do have a collective scent...and a collective tone as well. perhaps we can improve on it over time!

also the channelled material has to fit the vessel. Juditha is aware the importance of love, so she has that vocabulary for the spirit to work through.
Boris, you're so right, everything gets eaten up around here, like for instance, everybody is somebody's fool. I can't remember designing the universe like this, but I know we can rise to the challenge of whatever faces us.

you love has grown since when I first met you.
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Reply #22 - Jul 24th, 2007 at 8:01am
 
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Ta Juditha. Who can tell what's going on with some of this stuff, but it sounds credible.

The tough question that follows is just how the heck do we wake up?? What's needed??


I'm glad Bets caught this question from Vajra. Yes, a good one.

I believe that we wake up by becoming present. In Presence, as Eckhart Tolle teaches, we have no room for fear or anger or any of the lower states of being because we do not live in the past or the future there.

In Presence we are fully ourselves.

To me, that means we become aware of All, and our place in All that Is. In this awareness we are happy. In this awareness conditioning falls away. We are purely ourselves.

In Presence, we listen. We listen closely, because we are fully alive, and each word, spoken and unspoken, has meaning for us. We accept another's Presence beside us and as part of us, gladly, and with interest.

I think this is what it is to be awake.       love, blink Smiley
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Reply #23 - Jul 24th, 2007 at 1:53pm
 
Hi aylsia Thanks for saying im getting it right as i still doubt myself,i sometimes think im a little bit like one of Jesus disciples"Thomas who doubted everything" and Joe i agree with you what you said about plague.

Love and God bless   Love juditha
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Reply #24 - Jul 24th, 2007 at 3:32pm
 
Quote from Alysia:
"your love has grown since when I first met you".

Yes, Alysia, there is a progression that has gone something like
this:
At first I respond to people in ways that affect us that may be
good or not so good and criticise, etc. At first love may not be
much part of it.

Then, the afterlife knowledge gets filled in, and I see this Earth
life as being more valuable for what is learned here. That is, I
see more of the whole thing, particularly how much I am learning
from each thing. For example, when my Moslem friends find I am not
Moslem, they ask my why I "waste" my time with them, well, the
learning has been huge, such that I can't tell them in a few lines.
This same applies to life in general, like my learning curve is
going up with age, not down, because there is so much more I can
put together and synthesize.

This then leads to an appreciation of life for what is being
learned, in spite of all its difficulties and irritations, because
it is seen as a unique opportunity, a special incarnation that
offers a special line of learning. Sometimes, the more difficult
it is, the more skills are developed. Like, difficulties and
improvement go together. Also, there is the realization it wont
last forever, so you better get the most you can from each
opportunity.

Then comes the realization that the people around you, are part of
this life that you now value much more, seeing it in perspective.
Then I come to love the people more, simply because they are part of
a life that I am coming to appreciate more for what it offers.
Like, then I can look out at people and say, hey, you are the
providers of this life I am coming to appreciate more, so maybe I
love you too. You are the ones with whom I can share all this.
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Reply #25 - Jul 24th, 2007 at 3:51pm
 
Hi Boris-
While I certainly agree with what you say about biting flies and mosquitos at roughly six in th afternoon - that's when we go inside because they all come outside -  I can recall life as a tube worm sucking up slime. It was a pretty good life - just oozing along and enjoying it.

If it weren't for the biting and non-biting flies and other bugs we'd have to find something else for the hummers to eat (evidently the sugar water in my feeder is dessert in between snaps of protein) , and for the larger birds to squabble over, and of course bats rely on the little beasties.  It looks like we get it all or nothing.
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Re: Spirit came last night  a scent of vomit
Reply #26 - Jul 24th, 2007 at 4:53pm
 
Juditha

I believe we can get messages from Higher Spirits and also from the lower ones. The lower ones very often pretend to be higher spirits. So the important thing here is what we got from the message. I think that most of it was positive and useful. Despite that I must say one thing I’ve learnt, it’s that a Higher Spirit never says He is a “higher Spirit” because they are usually humble “people”. (it likely can have been a result from some language issue maybe)

The import thing is to receive the message and assess it has you did.

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Re: Spirit came last night  a scent of vomit
Reply #27 - Jul 26th, 2007 at 3:22am
 
that was sweet Boris, u seem more balanced these days, good work. a philosopy I  picked up from a kid one time was "life is what happens while you're waiting for it to happen, or even the people around me are the people I have been waiting to meet all my life.

Blink said: I think this is what it is to be awake.

this above in regard to accepting another person. the word acceptance has more meaning than we generally apply to it but I was struck by Blink's soul maturity here (I'm sorry if I'm turning this thread into a mutual admiration society) Smiley  but I remembered what Blink has just been thru, and I got a glimpse how people come and go in our lives and theres a reason for that..sometimes we just outgrow the behavior patterns that we're used to enacting with someone.
it seems a little sad, but a friend of mine was very wise, he said he will establish a small group of friends and as he grows, they fall away, and another group may or may not come in, but the friends who stay, they are the true companions who just accept each other and grow with the changes.

Boris said it well, its difficulties that make us grow should we face them straight on.
back to topic, Juditha, as Kardec said, the higher beings will come in love and not brag about it, I suppose you would be able to ascertain or discern the spirit?

always keep your white light shield and pray for the highest good and you will attract that good to you and not need to be worrying about misinformation and misleading spirits. we all have doubts but its good to talk it out like you do. its hard for them to fake PUL, so trust yourself. I heard you say you love god  many times, I think your love protects you.

DaveMbs, men are such worms, but I can't live without them for some reason.
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Reply #28 - Jul 26th, 2007 at 5:21pm
 
Hi aylsia and kardec  Last night when i walked in my bedroom,there was that scent of sick again ,but this time i completely ignored it and did not even try to tune in as part of me is not sure in a way whether this is something that is good or something pretending to be what it isnt,so i completely blocked it,as it could be okay but also it could be something from the lower realms and part of me felt like im doing the right thing here.

Love and God bless    Love juditha
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Reply #29 - Jul 26th, 2007 at 6:28pm
 
I think Juditha that cynicism (or doubt) in the true sense is 100% healthy - it's simply a reluctance to accept or believe without good reason combined with an openness and  lack of preconception or prejudging about anything. (for whatever reason - pride, ego, irrational fear etc)

This follows from the nature of mind. An old (Zen?) saying is that we reverse into the truth - that the only way we can reliably come to it is by discarding all we can show to be untrue. What's left is most likely true, or at least true within the limits of the conceptual framework you are working in.

The problem with coming at it as is commonly the case from the other side which is to propose a theory and then try to disprove it (as science does) is that leaves one wide open the being fooled by the way mind tends only to perceive that which fits with its beliefs. (the goldfish bowl or the self-justifying cocoon I mentioned before)

Which problem being the means by which our (normal) human delusions maintain themselves indefinitely.

What is not  healthy I guess is what cynicism is commonly perceived as being - a default negative position on everything....
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