http://www.amazon.com/Return-Heaven-Beloved-Relatives-Reincarnated/dp/0061030449...

anyone read it?  many amazing stories by people whose children reincarnated as their relatives.  it also has some physical evidence and mentions of ian stevenson's work of reincarnation's physical birthmarks.

it's not easy to trace the progression because of the amnesia we agree on before we come to live life on earth.  children often remember past lives, but once they get older they forget them. 

but you can basically "prove" reincarnation by the physical birthmarks combined with the children's testimonies, as investigated by ian stevenson.  of course you can never 100% prove ANYTHING, because it is the nature of science that something can always be proven wrong at a later time. 

you shouldn't knock it until you actually read about it, because there's a ton of evidence for reincarnation, unlike other religions.

I haven't read the cited books, but in regression work I do encounter repeated instances of people who reincarnate as relatives or close friends of people they know in this life. It seems that we travel in small groups.  People in the IARRT (a regression organization) seem to feel that we have a group size of roughly 50 people or so. Using topology I estimate that our groups include about 127 people.

I also do something called "intrauterine dialog" as a remedy for problem pregnancy. The unwilling Mom gets in touch with her fetus and they discuss whether this is a good time to be pregnant, or whether a later time might be better. In general, the fetus agrees to leave and return at a better time. Later on children born to that Mom often say things like, "Oh yes - I was here before, but it wasn't the right time yet, so I left and came back." Work in this area was pioneered by Gladys McCrary MD.

dave

There are literally thousands of stories of the same type - people who "know things" like where money is buried, or they recall a debt owed to them that nobody else knew about, or in the case of the succession of Dalai lamas, they can identify their possessions from prior lives. The problem is that those who are in denial say that these are fabrications, lies, misunderstandings etc. Those who do science can't get enough reliability out of the various cases to reproduce them under laboratory conditions. And us regression workers are told that we have created false memories, either deliberately (as in Michael Newton's case of strongly leading the interview) or subconsciously (as in my case where I use only open ended and indirect prompts). 

The other side of the arguments involve the inaccuracies that creep into such regression sessions due to the manner in which noise and other influences lead to misinterpretations, and thus errors.  I once had a wonderful life history of a farm girl in Nebraska, but we jointly were unable to find the town where she claimed to live. Not even after we crawled around over a big map of the state. The life history might have been in Montana, Nevada or Zambowango etc. My guess is that situations and places that seem to be "equivalent" to the recollections get called up instead, and nobody can tell which is which.

With a sufficiently large sample we could possibly do useful statistical work, but the current one-at-a-time method is not helpful.  It would be interesting to use the entire population of some isolated society, such as Cuba, since in principle it should be possible to interview everyone born in a given period - assuming that most of these are reborn from Cuba and reincarnated back into Cuba - which is no more than a guess. Still, we could get the fraction claiming recall, and the ages at which they were interviewed, to see at what time recall fades, as well as the fraction claiming local rebirth, and of those, the fraction recalling certain unimportant things when prompted by nothing but a place or date.

And after all that, those who are still in denial will claim that it's all a pack of lies.

dave

I've discovered that people will respond to me more or less acording to the mind set I have and the suggestions I give them. It's very much as if they can read my mind and respond specifically to fit into my thoughts - and that without my teling them anything. Then if I suggest that people "see something" or "go somewhere" they just do it as if it was always there.

As an example, in therapy I often send people, "Go to the place thatall kowledge is kept. Some people, likeme, call it the Library. Others have other names. Cayce called it the akashic records. Anyway, go there, and tell me what it looks like." I know that this is possible because as God we can create anything in the spirit world, either by name or by description. Then I suggest, "Find the one in charge. Ask to get the Book of Your Life." So people do this - even if they have to imagine it. Then we can work with life script details etc. Eventually they canmake changes in their life script or whatever is needed. They can also go back and look at the past. Although it can't be altered, it can be reinterpreted more favorably etc.

These are imposed suggestions to which people respond just as if they were always true. Whether the Spirit World always had a Library or not is not my business. But if we are looking to discover the lay of the land, as opposed to how we want to cultivate it, then we can only ask, "What do you experience right now? ... OK, and what comes next? ... " and so on.

I agree that you obviously are smart enough to go there and look for yourself - and that means that you too can see a reality which others vehemently deny.  So we have a lot of people who agree on "it is there" but who have trouble expressing just what "it" might be, and who are utterly bereft of proof of "it". I guess it's a secret.

Reminds me of Robin Williams' remark about doing a good deed - that it's a private event. "Like wetting your pants in a dark suit. It gives you a warm feeling, but nobody else notices."


d

Quote Seeker: here are stories like that in this book...  but one story that really amazed me was one very young child who knew ALL the lyrics to old songs from the 30's without hearing them before  (she was her grandmother reincarnated, who also loved those songs).  fascinating stuff.
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along these lines I read of a child in India who spent no linear time in the inner planes at all to speak of, retained his memories, started chattering about his wife and children at a very young age, which happened to live not far away. the parents of this child believed him and the child then took them to his former address and his former family accepted that it was him returned, due to many memories that were secret knowledge within the family. he now had two families and made frequent visits to the first family. they all just accepted it.
this demonstrates a rare event though, but it would say of the matter of our free will, at least for this particular child/person. I don't know whether he did in time forget his former associations, but this happens as a person grows older and is natural.

for my own belief in reincarnation, it has been a struggle and I'm learning to accept it with calmness, as it only means that we are unlimited beings, perhaps not as small and insignificant as we may feel at times.

one of my earliest recollections of feeling like I was two people, was when I was writing poetry, although we can call that automatic writing; I didn't know where the words came from. then when I began writing my book at first it was an old fashioned, polite style, somewhat even stuffy, but a little poetic, convoluted, but had a flowing essence to it; quite different than the way I myself like to write in casual and down to earth style. some of the words I came up with I had to look in the dictionary to see what it meant and wondered where I learned it.

all this does not prove anything one way or another but I do see in my head an old guy in England, reclusive, head in the books all the time, writing, writing, writing. if I think of him I always want to tidy up his house, he's so messy in favor of studying this and that. I have not been able to reconcile I was a man, so I just let him live in my head as guide, as teacher, as friend, and this works for me and I do not worry about who and what I am anymore. or, a better way to deal with being 2 people, is to look at Bruce's books, his description of the disc, it is really helpful for me, as then I can retain this delightful journey as a woman that I am now experiencing. (I do wish I didn't have to sit down to pee though, you fellows have got it much better)

love to all, alysia

seeker said; i was raised Christian, so that's a huge jump in beliefs.  christianity teaches that God decides your life, your death, your personality...  reincarnation teaches YOU choose all this.  no one to blame but yourself - talk about the ultimate in personal responsibility 
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thats true. no one to blame. very true. when I was a kid I would talk to god. I did not know enough to take responsibility. then you get older and u either take responsibility or you say its their fault whatever happens. taking responsibility can be painful but you can only change yourself, so then it becomes freeing. you can't change another person, but if you change yourself, the other person automatically seems to change as they got no reason to be defensive if you're not blaming them.

sweet....

LaffingRain wrote on Jul 21^st, 2007 at 12:44am:


I fully agree. It is so important to change oneself, but also to admit error when it is there. I'm having trouble saying "sorry" when I mess up, and I get easily defensive. That's because I crave love and positive acknowledgement. The funny thing is..when you stop being afraid to admit fault, you seem to gain more love and understanding. Sometimes I work on it, other times I don't. Isn't it weird how one can know the answer, and still be unable to act on it? Anyway, taking responsibility is indeed a great character trait, and one which you will usually be rewarded for, one way or the other.