Copyrighted Logo

css menu by Css3Menu.com


 

Bruce's 5th book, a Home Study Course, is now available.
Books & Tapes by Bruce Moen
    Bruce's Blog now at http://www.afterlife-knowledge.com/blog....

  HomeHelpSearchLoginRegister  
 
Pages: 1 2 
Send Topic Print
Sources that don't believe in reincarnation (Read 7991 times)
AhSoLaoTsuAhhOmmra
Ex Member


Re: Sources that don't believe in reincarnation
Reply #15 - Jul 22nd, 2007 at 1:27am
 
recoverer wrote on Jul 16th, 2007 at 6:04pm:
Brigg:


Mendel mentioned Michael Newton's books. Michael Newton wrote that sometimes a Soul will have more than one incarnation take place at the same time.  If this is true, what happens when each smaller self returns to its bigger self? Which personality characteristics are maintained? There is liable to be some contradictions.  If personality development works in the manner commonly believed, it wouldn't be possible to reconcile the divergent personality traits of two returning selves and the Soul fragment that stayed behind in the World of spirit, because personality traits aren't worked out so easilly (By the way, dave a mbs has found different results than Michael Newton when he does hypnotic regressions. He has stated that Michael Newton provides a lot of suggestions when he hypnotizes people. This can be seen if you read his third book.).
 


  While i tend to agree with you about Newton's 'leading' of people, he's not the only source to talk about the concept that a Soul/Disc/Total self etc., can and often does have more than one self in the same space/time cycle.

  Both Moen and Monroe also talk about this, both from a theory viewpoint, and also both claim it from an experiential viewpoint...  which personal experience seems to be the most powerful catalyst to believing or rather knowing something as 'true' or not (most of the time, for most people?). 

  I also have personal experience with this.  Many years ago, i asked a psychic about my unusual and somewhat baffling connections with a young man about my age, and i was told he was a "psychic twin".   At the time, this made no sense to me.  We weren't close and didn't know each other well, but there seemed to be a mutually powerful pull.

  However, after moving from that area and not ever seeing him in-physical anymore, i would continue to occasionally dream about him, and wonder about the intense connection i felt towards him.   I seemed to also know via dream state of his death, a couple of weeks before i found out he died in an automobile accident.   A couple of weeks before i found out he had died, i had had a dream about him out of the blue, wherein he had just moved into a dorm/community like setting, and he seemed really happy, and i was very happy for him. 

After coming upon Moen's, Monroe's, and Newton's info, i came to understand and deeply believe that this person was part of my immediate Total self/Disc.   I also understand now, that there are various major "levels" to this whole Disc concept/Archetype thing.   There is our immediate Disc/Total self, and then 7 other groupings which are ever more expanded and all inclusive in nature, much as Moen talks about in his 4th book--the most expanded level or viewpoint being that of the Planning Intelligence, or what i call the Christ Consciousness.

Interestingly enough, this young man shared many major personality characteristics and talents with me, and we even looked a bit alike.   He was quite artistic, pretty intelligent, more psychic than the average (especially for a male), strong personality but also gentle, deep thinking and feelinged, etc. 
One of the major differences seemed to be that he chose to remain in a more self destructive pattern longer than i had.  I stopped drinking, trying drugs, hanging out with the wrong people, etc. where as from what i can tell, he continued this pattern except that he was more responsible and stable in the job area, which is something that i have lacked until somewhat recently.  Perhaps this continuing self destructive pattern is part of the reason of why he or his (our?) Total self decided it was time for him to exit out of physical?

  But i suppose that in the long run, it doesn't really matter one way or the other, we're all connnected and One, and its only the universal application which fosters real soul growth towards this truth.   A bit easier said than done while in the physical, at least i've found, but hey we'll get there.

p.s., i will try to get back to your p.m. tomorrow.
 
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
the_seeker
Full Member
***
Offline



Posts: 179
Re: Sources that don't believe in reincarnation
Reply #16 - Jul 22nd, 2007 at 3:18am
 
ahso - moen's talk about the "disc" etc. just confuses me.  michael newton's "soul group" info was easy to understand...   i see that one soul can live multiple earthly lives at the same time, but certainly all members of the soul group are other individual souls?  ahh moen can be confusing.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
LaffingRain
Super Member
*****
Offline


Choose this Day

Posts: 5249
Arizona
Gender: female
Re: Sources that don't believe in reincarnation
Reply #17 - Jul 22nd, 2007 at 1:00pm
 
I think maybe one way of considering this oneness thing, is in our essence, we are connected mind to mind, as in telepathy and heart murmerings.

yet there are branches of the higher self, fingers, like probes into physical reality, which is not the whole of reality. these fingers are lives, the differences being we have personality, we wear personality to generate our identity, our penchant for individualism, in a positive way we gather experience through self expression. In a negative way we can attain too much selfish outlook, forgetting we are all one and competing with others for one upmanship. its all a learning experience the way I see it, that we must get back to love, to priorities, the quicker the better for all.
each life seems to add to the disc, each personality remains identifiable and valid within the disc, safe from the fires of having to burn off dross once it makes its way back to the heart of god from whence it came.
dross is to mean anything that does not look like love within a belief system.

I'm still working on my thought system but things are looking better these days.
love, alysia
Back to top
 

... Who takes away death's sting deprives life of bitterness
WWW http://www.facebook.com/LaughingRain2  
IP Logged
 
recoverer
Super Member
*****
Offline


Afterlife Knowledge Member

Posts: 5027
Gender: male
Re: Sources that don't believe in reincarnation
Reply #18 - Jul 23rd, 2007 at 7:57pm
 
Ahso:

I believe a disc has numerous selves and some of them incarnate during the same time period.  When Newton wrote about similtaneous incarnations, I don't believe he was thinking in disc terms. I believe he was thinking in conventional terms. One clue is that he states that it is difficult for a Soul to handle two to three incarnations at a time. I don't believe this is true with a disc.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
spooky2
Super Member
*****
Offline


Afterlife Knowledge Member

Posts: 2368
Re: Sources that don't believe in reincarnation
Reply #19 - Jul 23rd, 2007 at 8:12pm
 
Yes, and I think Monroe had the I/There (disk) in mind when he emphasizes on how great we are in truth and what possibilities we have.

Spooky
Back to top
 

"I'm going where the pavement turns to sand"&&Neil Young, "Thrasher"
 
IP Logged
 
AhSoLaoTsuAhhOmmra
Ex Member


Re: Sources that don't believe in reincarnation
Reply #20 - Jul 23rd, 2007 at 10:14pm
 
   I think you are probably right about that Recoverer.  Now that i think about it, i didn't get the sense that Newton believed in a Disk/I-there type concept, and i do remember him stating that he thought having multiple lives in the same space/time would probably be a 'drain', whereas i agree more with you--i don't think it would matter, or rather it wouldn't be too hard for a Total self/Disc to do.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
recoverer
Super Member
*****
Offline


Afterlife Knowledge Member

Posts: 5027
Gender: male
Re: Sources that don't believe in reincarnation
Reply #21 - Jul 25th, 2007 at 1:35pm
 
Spooky and Ahso:

I believe your discs would have a hard time handling multiple incarnations, but not mine.  Wink  Grin

I'd say that my disc is the biggest disc on the block, except I had a dream one time, and my disc took up an entire block all by itself.

Back to top
« Last Edit: Jul 25th, 2007 at 8:17pm by recoverer »  
 
IP Logged
 
spooky2
Super Member
*****
Offline


Afterlife Knowledge Member

Posts: 2368
Re: Sources that don't believe in reincarnation
Reply #22 - Jul 25th, 2007 at 8:52pm
 
Your disk might be bigger, but mine is faster...
Back to top
 

"I'm going where the pavement turns to sand"&&Neil Young, "Thrasher"
 
IP Logged
 
betson
Super Member
*****
Offline


Afterlife Knowledge Member

Posts: 3445
SE USA
Gender: female
Re: Sources that don't believe in reincarnation
Reply #23 - Jul 26th, 2007 at 12:50am
 
Fellas!  Fellas!
Cheesy

Bets
Back to top
 

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
Shakespeare
 
IP Logged
 
blink
Ex Member


Re: Sources that don't believe in reincarnation
Reply #24 - Jul 26th, 2007 at 2:38am
 
Are we talking disk size? Ha ha!

Aren't they all connected anyway? It doesn't matter, right?

love, blink Smiley
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
recoverer
Super Member
*****
Offline


Afterlife Knowledge Member

Posts: 5027
Gender: male
Re: Sources that don't believe in reincarnation
Reply #25 - Jul 26th, 2007 at 12:29pm
 
Hmph! Seems to me like Spooky has a case of disc envy.  Roll Eyes
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Pages: 1 2 
Send Topic Print


This is a Peer Moderated Forum. You can report Posting Guideline violations.