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could i be forced to reincarnate?
Jul 15th, 2007 at 2:07am
 
this is a pretty personal topic but i am anonymous so here goes.  i've done a lot of reading about afterlife topics and firmly believe what they say is true.  that doesn't mean i always AGREE with the way things are, but i believe they're true. 

i've had a really hard life - depression and so on, and i absolutely DO NOT want to ever reincarnate on earth for any reason.  i can't remember any past lives or anything, and have no idea what my purpose for living this life is.  all i know is once i get to heaven, i want to stay there forever.  most afterlife books mention in a short little blurb that you won't be forced to reincarnate (and that some people choose not to), but they don't devote much attention to this topic.  i'm scared i will be forced or tricked into reincarnating again.  i remember in journey of souls, one person told their spirit guide they wanted a life that showed them the conditions on earth, and they were sent to a horrible life of starvation in africa.  after they got back to heaven, they were mad about it.  it seems that guides can hide certain information about future lives on earth.  i don't like that. 

also they always mention how everyone must progress and join the source in the end..  what if i don't want to progress?  i disagree that living a human life is a good thing, so what if i disagree with the whole spiritual plan?!

also is it possible to get rid of one's spirit guides or have them replaced?  because i don't trust mine.  i've asked for help many many times from my guides and i feel like if they're doing anything, they're just making my life harder.   

this may seem like a very negative post to many of you, but that's what a bad life will do to a person.  i'm a nice person and try to do the right thing and not be mean to other people - personally i just hate life, that's all.  i don't agree that it's a good thing to live life or that the hardship is worth whatever positive outcome it may be producing in the afterlife.
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Re: could i be forced to reincarnate?
Reply #1 - Jul 15th, 2007 at 9:42am
 
Greetings Seeker,

You wrote exactly what I felt a couple of years ago!  This community on this site and Bruce's books have helped me tremendously. Maybe I can summarize some of that information:

This earth isn't the only place to reincarnate.  (Even dealing with gravity can be a pain if you're used to areas that are more fluid or airy. ) Perhaps it's your first time here or even your last, but earth has something you need, or even asked for (like all the sensory input.)  It can be difficult here,  we all agree from a wide variety of life experiences.

Bruce's books are a great help because they get you out and working within the big plan so that you can better understand your part in it. A side effect is that you end up working  with your spirit guides and thereby gain trust and respect for what they do.

The big plan keeps on keeping on, even if and when we may individually ask for some time out. Perhaps you will be given a rest, --- or maybe just meeting again with members of your Disk family will reinvigorate you to participate with them. Maybe for some reason in your current life you haven't met any of them for awhile; when you do find them, they will bring alot of energy to you that can make this life more pleasurable.

Until you get more input from others, you could do a search for reincarnation using the magnifying glass in the blue bar at the top of the page, or by browsing through the index. You are certainly not alone in your feelings, even though you may, I hope, find them changing when you get involved here.

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Reply #2 - Jul 15th, 2007 at 11:44am
 
There is no reincarnation.. This is what I asked a guy that I know and who has done lots of research on the afterlife..  And his reply was there is no reincarnation..

Why do people have near deaths where they are shown they have lived many lives?? Are they actually being decieved by evil spirits?? Since, reincarnation doesn't exist??

I think it has to do with those feelings of oneness and connectedness on the other side.  The holographic nature of the experience.  A misinterpretation of the evidence.  After people have NDE's they come back after the experience and try and make sense of it all.   They sit around and think about what just happened to them.  Betty Eadie swears that the Light she saw was Jesus.  Howard Storm says that he was met by Devils.   There is a cultural aspect to the interpretation of the experience.  The truth may be so far removed from our everyday experience that putting it into words that we can understand may be impossible.   Also don't forget that people embellish their experiences.   Mostly though I think it's a matter of interpretation.   
I really like the way that "marineboy" a guy on the NDERF.org message board phrased it.  He says, ""I suspect that it is a time-based misreading of "interconnection". Also, when people say they felt that "I" had all these past lives, I think the I is not the I they think it is, but the I of interconnection, the I of universal presence incarnating in myraid forms everywhere. Because there are no absolute boundaries to this "I" it seems in an nde as if it is THEY personally."

Let me reiterate it so it can sink in:

"I suspect that it is a time-based misreading of "interconnection". Also, when people say they felt that "I" had all these past lives, I think the I is not the I they think it is, but the I of interconnection, the I of universal presence incarnating in myraid forms everywhere. Because there are no absolute boundaries to this "I" it seems in an nde as if it is THEY personally."   - Marineboy

If you want to believe in reincarnation; go ahead.   I don't.  I also don't believe in Hell and in fact think it's counterproductive to a real understanding of what's going on, and think that people who rely on those interpretations have a very immature understanding of what it's all about.   Of course I think my interpretation is the best.  Am I right?  Who knows!   We'll find out when we get there.      I'm fairly certain that something of who I am survives the death of my physical body.  As to what that something is, I'm not exactly sure.
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Reply #3 - Jul 15th, 2007 at 2:20pm
 
Hi Seeker,
    I don't want to take away your focus on this life because that is important but to add to what Beson what saying, even if your next incarnation was on Earth again, think of how different it could be. I believe that each of us has a say in the outline of our physical lives. To that end, you may not choose to experience the same things again. So your next life could be as opposite to this one as possible. It could be anything!
Again, I don't want to encourage you to hurry up and finish this life so you can get on to the next one. I worrythat fear of life in general could be affecting your experiences here now. I don't know your specific circumstances but I know from experience that expecting the worse can bring the worst. it wasn't until I stopped living in fear- that I wouldn't have enough money to pay the bills, that my husband would lose his job etc, and I began to expect good things- did they actually happen. It was a slow process I will say as it took me years to develop those fears but each day was better. Money is still tight but we get by and that's all that matters.

PM me if you want to talk further.

Good luck. Love,
Michelle
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Reply #4 - Jul 15th, 2007 at 8:58pm
 
Hi Seeker-
Michael Newton's work tends to be strongly flavored by Michael Newton's personal beliefs. He leads his regression sessions by asking things like, "Go to the time your group was learning about something." This gives answers that make it seem like there is a group, and that the group learns things together. There might follow anecdotal material, such as a person who was learning to "make mice" and put exceptionally large ears on one mouse. The other extreme, simply asking, "What happens next?" tends to give quite different information, although it carries the same very general sequential ideas of death, evaluation, insight and return.

The problem with staying in heaven is to release attachment to the everyday world. If you carry attachments to the everyday world these will eventually develop with respect to the manner in which you define yourself, hence forcing an everyday world definition upon you, and that will hook you into the ways and places in which the definition might occur, until you pop back into the world because you have redefined yourself to be a worldly being.

There is a traditional Tibetan saying,
"All sounds are mantra
"All persons are buddha
"All reality is nirvana."

When your mind is able to directly experience the nature of everything as a unity, that is, in terms of the manner in which everything is and has always been connected to everything else, then heaven will come to you here and now, and there will be no more "death" in the sense of ending things. So the solution to staying forever in heaven amounts to getting unattached from everything that might keep you out of heaven. And that includes the notion that you are not now in heaven.

This is more than a glib brush off of your question. It is the tendency to differentiate that keeps us involved with differences, and once we get into the differences of this and that, we develop attachments to opinions, ideas about how this occurs, and so on, as well as the far more poisonous judgements that we pass upon our own selves, by which we force ourselves to be limited instead of transcendental.

My personal suggestion is to work at this area until you understand it. If you get involved with soul retrievals, as a minimum you will develop your meditative skills, and will shorten the distance between your present moment and an eternity in heaven. Otherwise, the desire to be in heaven carries the presumption that you are not there and are not (visibly) going there, which will force a division between the "you" part and the "heaven" part, and that is sufficient to keep you elsewhere.

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Reply #5 - Jul 30th, 2007 at 5:01am
 
It's my feeling that spirits do spend an "eternity of eternities" in Heaven before incarnating on earth again. The best example of this "eternity" I can give, barely, is when we're dreaming and have no concept of time. Of course, dreams are just a peak, a door to the spirit world, and not the full thing.

If you think your life is bad, just think about your future - it will bring something better. You could get a wonderful job, a beautiful wife, kids, friends, nice cars, a big house, etc. Anything in your life can happen to make it better. Just find what makes you happy, then work to get it.

God loves you, no matter how healthy or unhealthy your conscious mind might be. I realize that a lot of people don't like life. Who could blame them? If it is not one person or thing screwing up the quality of life, it's another. I understand where you are coming from.

Just realize that God is in control, and he hears your prayers. Try to enjoy your life and work toward whatever makes you happy.

PM me if you want to talk more.

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Reply #6 - Jul 30th, 2007 at 1:32pm
 
Hi Seeker the short answer is no one is forced to do anything such as return here. coercion is a big no no on the other side because simply there is great cooperation and great love on the planning commissions, these are beings with wisdom and love, not tricksters.
to illustrate the free will aspects operating, I once had a friend who said his planners, who were guides simply making suggestions to him, they told him he was not ready to return, it would be better if he stayed awhile on the other side. Instead of listening to them, he decided, no, he was going to dive into his next life. he was mildly vibrating to tell me his story, and I knew he was trying to develop courage, but now wished he had perhaps waited and went to school on the other side, for it is very difficult to take any sort of life and fulfill our intentions here amid all the obstacles we can encounter.

things look basically much easier to accomplish when you are spirit entity, so we can bite off more than can be chewed, due to our free will. once we get born, we even forget that we do have a choice here, to be creating of our life circumstance.
the thing to do is to begin to remember what you came here for, which may be a simple thing, yet very important to you to remember what it is that brings you enjoyment to be accomplishing. if u r unhappy in your work situation for instance, this job that produces anxiety may be an indication to be moving onto something that suits you better. sometimes when we get depressed it is time to be concerned with taking care of #1. Yourself.
then when u learn to take care of yourself first, you can be extending generosity to others along the way. I think that we need each other, person to person, nation to nation, and we were born to overcome whatever does not reveal lovingness.
your true nature is love in essence. you will make it home and won't have to leave again if that is your choice.
love, alysia
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Reply #7 - Jul 30th, 2007 at 9:41pm
 
Well said Alysia!!  Wink

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Reply #8 - Jul 31st, 2007 at 2:09am
 
Great insightful reply Chuckles!

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Reply #9 - Jul 31st, 2007 at 6:42am
 
Another factor to bring into this conversation is are past lives a reality or is it really 'parallel lives' if linear time is merely illusion.
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Reply #10 - Jul 31st, 2007 at 10:47am
 
I think both are possible...a friend from another board has said that we assume incarnations always occur in linear time when really they could happen at any time...we might choose to come back say in the 1800's...it therefore wouldn't be a past life, just another life occuring in the past as we know it to be from a 2007 perspective.

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Reply #11 - Jul 31st, 2007 at 12:18pm
 
Michelle E wrote on Jul 31st, 2007 at 10:47am:
I think both are possible...a friend from another board has said that we assume incarnations always occur in linear time when really they could happen at any time...we might choose to come back say in the 1800's...it therefore wouldn't be a past life, just another life occuring in the past as we know it to be from a 2007 perspective.

Love,
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I agree with Michelle. what I imagine is we have tv monitors on the other side. when choosing a circumstance of life to enter, we often go with people we've known; our family dynamics keep evolving with same people changing roles or gender within that unit.

then I imagine, a way to get around thinking of linear time as an absolute and only reality, is to take a look at my guide, who says to me, he hob nobbed with JC in another time. what I see DP as, in another time dimension, still occupying that dimension, and I can turn on the monitor and see portions of his life if I wish. I see DP as there, then I see DP as here with me also in this dimension of a century.

in that sense, it seems when we die, we also leave behind a part of ourselves, in the people who remember us, whom we made an impression on, or bonded with, like leaving books..sort of..or like Monroe built TMI, it now exists here, but also TMI exists "there."  I/there.  so it's like LR/DP, I/there  as one.

he knows I rule though Wink  its my life for sure!! to explain this a little better in terms of trying to understand having been another character in another time/space, look at the limits of our language; I am forced to say "I have been" instead of "I am now at present, two people. how confusing for the ego to have to use terms of past, future and present tense.
but we are caught up in the way the sun rises and the moon sets and we call this time, when time is not eternity's time.

the best way to think of other lives is fingers of the same hand. as in probes, a brilliant term coined by TMI. we probe existance. but lives are only fingers. DP is what I call my guide as it means Dead Preacher. but he's not dead, he lends me what he learned and he's still learning, but through this other life, called me. we're one, but with different viewing points or focus's.
he likes to preach the word, telling folks what JC REALLY meant.
I am always telling him not to be saving souls this time. he messed up.
so we balance each other this way, like facets of the same soul, yet entities or egos in their own right.

thats what channelling is about, you are channelling your own other aspects.

you can get a handle on this business to look at our entertainment industry of the way we can get on stage and don a role, and play that role well. thats what it is like to live here, in a role, in a gender, in a particular belief, or religion, playing it out as only a role, going back home and doing a review and deciding on another role to play, or probe for experience, for to create some good here, the best we can imagine, on a planet where anything can happen and does.

the main point is to be expressing love, that is undistorted love, that is getting it together with all our parts and aspects without the preachy part, then u have love and someone said get love in all your getting. it is the only prize worth keeping when you go.
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