hi there, nice thread. the short answer: my opinion is and strong feelings based on exploration and experiences of inner nature is: love is all that survives after transition, and you can never lose anything in death because death is rebirthing into your home; what happens is you become more of yourself, not less.

will have to read some more of these fine responses. thank you, alysia

Yes, laffingrain, I can agree. To die is just a transition and we won't be more anlightened than before. The dream continues.

Jonathan

jonathandilas wrote on Jul 12^th, 2007 at 7:42am:


well maybe not much more enlightened, but its sure easier to find my right classroom once I'm not having to scratch up coin and gas money to get there. love, alysia

hi Vajra
we're sort of getting away from discussing reincarnation but thats ok, I don't mind.
I went thru your post and picked out all the negatives so just to point them out to you so u would notice. not judging you, just pointing out where your head is at this present moment.
I'll reprint the phrases that pepper your post and see if I can discover what it is you are really asking as its not exactly clear:

downside (smily face) I don't have ability...a negative.

under control

wrong thoughts....out of hand

mindfulness is limited, horrifying scenarios

most cannot conrol

element of chance

wrathful elements, demons and monsters, nonhuman realms

compulsive, driven

I'm unsure. lurking deep..

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I respond to words which make me feel something. from negatives like mentioned above all sorts of scarey, or boxed in feelings are picked up. so then I tell u this because I am not trying to fix you, but just what I feel when I read anyone's post, so I can get to know them better and maybe it will help, maybe not. and it is just a viewpoint in the end.
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I see control of your thoughts is what you desire. we all can relate to that for sure!
I can only say a meditation technique which worked for me but I wouldn't say that control of thoughts is like my talent but heres a little method:
when exploring we have doubts: that what we do is worthwhile. we may feel pressured to be active in some project, or we may feel we are being silly. these are called doubts and are creative in themselves to produce our reality.
so put all doubts in a satchel beside you, this in imagining, so you will know where they are when you come up from meditation, you can pick them up when you're done. setting aside doubts allows you to open up beyond those monsters and things you are concerned about.

nothing I say is going to help anyone to feel as positive and certain as I do feel about our future as humanity, its your own experience has to supply your truth. there is a way to think more on positive things though, that tends to make it a more positive world manifest. the more of us do this, the bigger and better it gets.
we are supposed to keep in balance between negative and positive so we can see both sides of the coin simultaneously, this my guidance anyway and produces less fear for me to express. the idea is courage leads to fearlessness leads to PUL. everybody has different path to same destination though. not for me to say whats right or wrong. we must all speak for ourselves.

for yourself you say "you never know what's lurking"...

thats if you believe in murphys law. I used to. things still don't happen as we expect them to, but what changes in enlightenment process, is things still go wrong but it doesn't bother you anymore when they go wrong, as a matter of fact every negative you find can be turned into a positive and that goes for the afterlife as well this life.

I once had a monster chasing me in the astral, and the astral, my opinion is very similar to the afterlife planes, although monsters don't live on the high level mental areas, they are simply not smart enough for the classrooms up there.
well, the monster chased me every night. so redundant activity..finally I said I'm going to let it eat me. I don't want to run anymore.
I turned around preparing to die, said alright eat me. the monster said back, "you created me to chase you!" you're not supposed to confront me like this! now you are making me useless! and it dissolved because I alone had created it. I almost felt sorry for it as it died, but you can bet I was happy I didn't have to die after all.

I know you're going thru a rough time from your post, but just remember its just a phase, you're going to come out of it a winner, is my feeling, probably quicker than you think.
my 2 cents. blessings, alysia
btw, never say never. you say you don't have any experiences like us, but if you start looking at some experiences that happened that were odd, you might surprise yourself that you can explore, and you can do what your intentions for coming to earth were. say yes I can, don't say no I can't. theres nobody will get in your way to come from love.

hey    Vajra said I'll put my clothes back on again now!!! 
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I'm sorry if I made you feel naked? you seem to take me well tho.
I really respect anyone into Buddism even more than other religions although we all need to look beyond doctine of all religions or belief systems right now is my feeling, or maybe just use doctrine as like leaping off places, just not get stuck in the ideas they allude to are absolute things.
we are as a whole too much in process of change and becoming to stay in one place from what another person said or wrote down which includes all literature and religious books.

I'm glad you came here and write thoughts down, it helps me to meet folks like yourself, deep thinkers, so few of us can express deeper thoughts.

is there life after accepting reincarnation concept? just to get back on topic. yes, there actually is life afterwards.
for me it moved me into my nothingness state of mind and made me reach out to others.
I know you know about this state.
I would just remind people of my experiences out there which convinced me beyond all possible doubt, we are so loved there is absolutely nothing to fear because of so much orderly process over there, and that would include massive PUL operating.
I don't care what they say, its an adventure to transit.

a friend of mine on myspace put it rather well, he said we can die right here while in ELS while still in the body.
then since you're already dead, you don't die.
I'd just reword this to get busy right now on the life review work, fixing broken relationships, then you don't have to do it on the other side and can just create a new life with new people.
all the life reviewer guides want to know is did you do anything dirty to someone this time around? if so they just want you to fix the hurt. then you're free.

you already know this stuff. love to you, alysia

Time exists more in a subjective manner, but in real it is simultary. All time is now. You can experience time, whenever you like in the afterlife as you can play games on your computer that plays in different time ages, but they are at the same time on your (hard)disc.