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Reply #15 - Jul 6th, 2007 at 10:57pm
 
Hi Stjern-
As one of the propagators of BS, I feel I need to add a few words.

First, to answer your specific question, you can definitely profit from reading Bruce's books. Aside from being interesting, they give insight into a natural mode of mediumship that most of us experience. While this is not a five minute study, it is quite easy, and Bruce's Book Five (Home Study) has a number of useful CDs to prompt you through the various stages.

Second, to augment the BS factor, death is actually very real. The interesting thing is that it isn't fatal.

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Reply #16 - Jul 9th, 2007 at 10:57am
 
Dave, are you using "bs" the same way I'm using "bs", ie "bullshit"? Because if you do, I don't understand why you think you are talking bs.  Huh
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Reply #17 - Jul 9th, 2007 at 4:35pm
 
Apologies - I often add humor where it gets me in trouble. To tell jokes is not the most useful mode of communication. Nevertheless, the point I make is that death is a real and often terrifying experience, but it does not kill us off - it is simply a transition - hence, death is not fatal. Afterwards, everybody in my regression sessions has reported that they were finally at peace, no matter how wretched their lives had been.

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Reply #18 - Jul 10th, 2007 at 2:36am
 
dave_a_mbs wrote on Jul 9th, 2007 at 4:35pm:
Apologies - I often add humor where it gets me in trouble. To tell jokes is not the most useful mode of communication. Nevertheless, the point I make is that death is a real and often terrifying experience, but it does not kill us off - it is simply a transition - hence, death is not fatal. Afterwards, everybody in my regression sessions has reported that they were finally at peace, no matter how wretched their lives had been.

dave

well said Dave. I did pick up your humor btw. I often fall on my face here regarding humor, so don't feel bad and please keep your humor despite we get our signals crossed so easy.
I do believe we as journeyers of ELS are taking it seriously too much as once you get over there, its true, no matter how wretched it looks from here, it was because we decided it was wretched, then we get another view and wish we could have seen it wasn't that serious after all.
love, alysia
so your clients are telling the truth, my opinion.
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Reply #19 - Jul 10th, 2007 at 9:51am
 
Starboom wrote on Jul 3rd, 2007 at 5:46pm:
Hello to everyone on the boards. I discovered these forums a couple of days ago, and I've been fascinated with it ever since. I've read quite a few threads, and also a fair bit about Bruce Moen. I haven't read such exciting things for years, and I now want to order that book and the audio CD's, to try it out. But I have a question (kind of) for you all.

You see, in my 26 years of living, I have to my knowledge never, I repeat NEVER, experienced anything strange or supernatural. I've always been somewhat obsessed with the meaning of life, in particular the afterlife. I've tried different belief systems, those didn't work out. I've tried meditating, which also didn't work out. The result? I'm practically an atheist now, with all the grief that gives me. Since discovering this site, though, I'm starting to move towards being a believer again. It stresses me out a lot that I can't seem to experience anything out of the ordinary, and it's hard to believe anything when nothing ever happens, but I guess I'm stubborn, and I'm still looking for answers.

My question to you is, I suppose: Can a guy who has never experienced anything at all, get results with Moen's books and CD's, or must one have a certain ability from birth?


Hello and welcome to the board. I'm David (one of 3 on this board.) I'm kindof like you in that I haven't been able to go out of body or meditate but have been really interested in this kind of thing lately. However, I have had strange dreams that I can not explain that may possibly have some spiritual meaning. Usually they come after praying for guidance. It could be that neither or us are ready for such an experience yet. We're both still young (I'm 22.) While I've yet to have an OOBE I can still say that many experiences we have in our waking lives still teach and enlighten us in many ways.
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Reply #20 - Jul 10th, 2007 at 3:42pm
 
dave_a_mbs wrote on Jul 9th, 2007 at 4:35pm:
Apologies - I often add humor where it gets me in trouble. To tell jokes is not the most useful mode of communication. Nevertheless, the point I make is that death is a real and often terrifying experience, but it does not kill us off - it is simply a transition - hence, death is not fatal. Afterwards, everybody in my regression sessions has reported that they were finally at peace, no matter how wretched their lives had been.

dave



Haha, I see. And obviously there's a filter on these boards, because I never wrote "bovine scat"!  Huh

Anyways, I hope someday that I'll be able to view life as part learning/part funfunfun.
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Reply #21 - Jul 10th, 2007 at 3:43pm
 
DavidLay wrote on Jul 10th, 2007 at 9:51am:
Starboom wrote on Jul 3rd, 2007 at 5:46pm:
Hello to everyone on the boards. I discovered these forums a couple of days ago, and I've been fascinated with it ever since. I've read quite a few threads, and also a fair bit about Bruce Moen. I haven't read such exciting things for years, and I now want to order that book and the audio CD's, to try it out. But I have a question (kind of) for you all.

You see, in my 26 years of living, I have to my knowledge never, I repeat NEVER, experienced anything strange or supernatural. I've always been somewhat obsessed with the meaning of life, in particular the afterlife. I've tried different belief systems, those didn't work out. I've tried meditating, which also didn't work out. The result? I'm practically an atheist now, with all the grief that gives me. Since discovering this site, though, I'm starting to move towards being a believer again. It stresses me out a lot that I can't seem to experience anything out of the ordinary, and it's hard to believe anything when nothing ever happens, but I guess I'm stubborn, and I'm still looking for answers.

My question to you is, I suppose: Can a guy who has never experienced anything at all, get results with Moen's books and CD's, or must one have a certain ability from birth?


Hello and welcome to the board. I'm David (one of 3 on this board.) I'm kindof like you in that I haven't been able to go out of body or meditate but have been really interested in this kind of thing lately. However, I have had strange dreams that I can not explain that may possibly have some spiritual meaning. Usually they come after praying for guidance. It could be that neither or us are ready for such an experience yet. We're both still young (I'm 22.) While I've yet to have an OOBE I can still say that many experiences we have in our waking lives still teach and enlighten us in many ways.
Peace,
David


Thanks for your reply. Yes, it could be that we aren't ready for it, although I've really wanted something to happen all my life. Anyway, maybe the time is close, since I've discovered this board?
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Reply #22 - Jul 10th, 2007 at 5:27pm
 
ha! yes there is a filter on this board, so that we can be polite to each other! Smiley  I thought it was funny..one time I typed b-i-t-c-h and what came up was pregnant dog... Cheesy I enjoyed that immensely.

just wanted to say we have young and older people here, and if you stay here you could have been led here, if you get anything out of it. I don't believe in accidents nor coincidences people come here, and its like Im expecting that person, that I knew they would come.
and its true what u guys are thinking, that u don't just wake up one day and say oh, I think I'll will go obe, or I will phase. its more like a process, it was for me. but some jump in both feet, me, I like to test the water sometimes with my big toe. other times you have to make a leap of faith.

to the original poster with the question, who says he thinks he's stubborn. change stubborn to self determination and you're already a winner. I would say start with Bruce's books and just continue from there with other books. read slowly so you can pick up clues how to explore.

if your mind wanders, put the book down as you're not concentrating, come back to it later and read in a relaxed non hurried state, you may learn something about yourself.
as to nothing ever happens, welcome to the world where nothing ever happens. thats just an attitude you can change.
my guides instructed me the reason nothing ever happens is because I don't know exactly what I want to happen. they said to write it down if that would help, list the details what you want to happen, prioritize them in other words.

I once asked spirits to knock on my walls. guess what? the buggers did it. love, alysia
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Reply #23 - Jul 10th, 2007 at 11:39pm
 
Hi Star Explosion,
   I agree with Alysia that your search led you here. I believe that everything happens for a reason. You are not alone in you lack of obvious experiences but that should not deter you. I do not communicate with spirits or leave my body (that I am aware of- I believe these things may happen during sleep to most everyone) but I am still a believer. Even as a young child being raised Catholic I did not believe what I was being taught- I Knew they were wrong. I started reading spiritual books in my early twenties, taking something from each of them that rang true to me. I recommend the same to you. It is really neat when you pick up on ideas from different sources- it is a confirmation or validation. I will say that this is a life long journey- beliefs evolve over time- as you accumulate more knowledge and experience your beliefs may change or expand. Try not to feel like there is a rush to get to the next level. Life happens all the while and you may therefore have times where you feel like a lot is going on but then times where you don't. Could be because you are distracted by something in your life or because you just need to adjust and incorporate what you are absorbing into your life. Talking the talk and believing it are one thing, but puting it into daily practice is not always as easy. I struggle every day to be the person that I want to be.
Anyway, I wanted to say that you are on the right track and I am happy for you.

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Michelle

P.S.  Alysia, I almost fell over because of your "pregnant dog" !  Grin
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Reply #24 - Jul 10th, 2007 at 11:53pm
 
welcome Michelle E. I saw your post and my daughters on the puter so I ran to see if you and she were the same person! Smiley nope. she says she is not you. lol.

just thought that was funny, maybe not.  you gave very good sound advice to original poster; those in their 20's like to spring ahead so fast, maybe life just doesn't work that way really, all I know is some younger people I see around me do seem to be born with more knowledge than I had at their age, so I trust in them to show us how it's done.

signing off, a pregnant dog Smiley Smiley
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Reply #25 - Jul 11th, 2007 at 3:58am
 
Haha, thanks for the replies, laffingrain and Michelle E. Smiley
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Reply #26 - Jul 13th, 2007 at 12:36pm
 
Hey Stjerneeksplosjon! Welcome to the board, I have just returned myself from a break. There are an amazing bunch of people here! Definatly keep at it, I came here when I first started out and it is one thing in my life I am truly so grateful to have experienced, looking forward to hearing your stories!

I noticed you said you wrote a song on your number message, what instrument do you play? I had to ask as I love music also! Do you play in a band?

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Reply #27 - Jul 13th, 2007 at 12:58pm
 
Hello ChiliPepper! ...

missed you!
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Reply #28 - Jul 13th, 2007 at 11:05pm
 
Hi Ryan,
Funny how you should pop up as I realized this week that you were missing...I haven't seen you at Linns in a while.

Good to see you. I haven't uploaded my photo yet as I want a new one but it is still on at the other site if you don't remember me Smiley

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Reply #29 - Jul 15th, 2007 at 2:16am
 
stjern - i feel your pain!!!!  i left my body once, but it was when i was asleep and very briefly.  i've tried so many times to have an OBE, and wish i would see a ghost or something, but... no.  i haven't tried bruce's CD's though. 

the only thing i can think of is, either some of us were destined to not touch the spiritual realm, or we simply have to try harder..
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