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Jul 3rd, 2007 at 5:46pm
 
Hello to everyone on the boards. I discovered these forums a couple of days ago, and I've been fascinated with it ever since. I've read quite a few threads, and also a fair bit about Bruce Moen. I haven't read such exciting things for years, and I now want to order that book and the audio CD's, to try it out. But I have a question (kind of) for you all.

You see, in my 26 years of living, I have to my knowledge never, I repeat NEVER, experienced anything strange or supernatural. I've always been somewhat obsessed with the meaning of life, in particular the afterlife. I've tried different belief systems, those didn't work out. I've tried meditating, which also didn't work out. The result? I'm practically an atheist now, with all the grief that gives me. Since discovering this site, though, I'm starting to move towards being a believer again. It stresses me out a lot that I can't seem to experience anything out of the ordinary, and it's hard to believe anything when nothing ever happens, but I guess I'm stubborn, and I'm still looking for answers.

My question to you is, I suppose: Can a guy who has never experienced anything at all, get results with Moen's books and CD's, or must one have a certain ability from birth?
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Reply #1 - Jul 3rd, 2007 at 5:53pm
 
Hi and welcome.....S......okay, I need a nickname! I give up!

Bruce Moen himself states that you don't need special abilities to use his method successfully. I believe him.

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Reply #2 - Jul 3rd, 2007 at 6:30pm
 
Hello and welcome:

Everybody has different needs. It probably hasn't been necessary for you to have spiritual experiences up to this point of your life. Chances are they'll come when needed. You might even find that you've had some with realizing it. Life itself is a spiritual experience. Moments of deep love can mean more than going out of body.

Try paying close attention to your dreams. Keep a dream journal near your bed. After a while, you'll realize that there is something really interesting and special about dreams. Especially after you start paying attention to them.
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Reply #3 - Jul 3rd, 2007 at 6:48pm
 
Thanks for the answers so far.

Recovery wrote: "It probably hasn't been necessary for you to have spiritual experiences up to this point of your life."

It depends on exactly what you mean. For me personally, as I have been all my life, I've wanted nothing more than have a spiritual experience of significant character. But, perhaps I am not supposed to have one.

As for dreams, I've always been fascinated by those too, but I've almost never dreamt anything truly significant. I do remember one time, though, that I dreamt of the apocalypse (at a time where I had finally renounced the Christian God in my mind, as he just didn't make sense. This was a few years ago). The skies were on fire and vengeful angels came flying down on earth. Me and my friend died over and over, and it felt pretty bad. At the end of the dream, someone told me to remember a number(2958. I even wrote a song named that. ) , though I felt I kind of made that number up myself. Anyway, when I woke up, I felt TERROR. I have never felt so senselessly afraid before or since, I was honestly considering that it could be the end of the world for real. Pure terror. So, first I wrote down the number, and then I switched on the television, to calm my nerves. The first thing that comes on is Everybody Loves Raymond, and that woman says "It's not the end of the world". Which at the time freaked me out, but as days went by, I considered it a message from...someone...that there was nothing to fear. So yeah, that was kind of a extreme experience, I admit. Later I have dismissed it as coincidence. If it was not, I can't help but think that Jehovah wanted to punish me for renouncing him, and other spirits or beings thought he was being nonsensical, and decided to help me snap out of it. Regardless, the song I wrote was pretty kickass, if I may say so myself. Cheesy

I've been thinking about keeping a dream journal, but haven't bothered yet. I really should though, as I love some of them.
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Reply #4 - Jul 3rd, 2007 at 6:50pm
 
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Sorry about that, haha. This board doesn't allow me to use an Ø, so I had to pick a much more difficult name. It means Star Explosion, so call me that if ya want to. Or just Star. Or Very Cool Person. Cheesy
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Reply #5 - Jul 3rd, 2007 at 6:57pm
 
Hi Stjerneeksplosjon, I think Bruce's Guidebook is a good source of information to widen one's perception. One of the keys is modified kind of meditation, which combines relaxation and imagination. Along with this goes an attitude of acceptance, to let go the judgemental "it's only imagination" habit, it means not to take everything as objective truth what you perceive in a mind journey, but, like Bruce put it (or similar), "to temporarily suspend disbelief".

Blink, maybe you can call Stjerneeksplosjon Starburst. Right Stj. ? Edit: I see I'm right!

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Reply #6 - Jul 3rd, 2007 at 7:06pm
 
Yes Starburst, coincidents are something to look at. Generally, to experience life in a new way, one can try to approach it holding it for possible, that everything could contain a hint, a meaning, more than just a physical mechanic process. It might be that you discover patterns and a network becomes visible, where many things are fitting together in a surprising way.
You're young, so have patience! (I know it can be hard...)

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Reply #7 - Jul 3rd, 2007 at 8:45pm
 
Stjerneeksplosjon:

I did the same thing. Found out that there is no such thing as a wrathful, vengeful, jealous, and homophobic God. However, I did find that God and Christ in a non-fundamentalist way are a key part of divine reality. This discovery wasn't based on what I read. It was based on numerous experiences.

I communicate with spirits. One time I was shown a crucifix. I didn't understand why, since my heart and mind weren't very open to Christ at the time.  So I asked why. I was then shown a legless, headless manikin with a white fur coat with black spots on it, standing on a department store floor. I understood what this image meant right away. "They killed him (Christ), they put him on display, they spotted his reputation." Next I experienced myself pressing the high C note on my piano (not physically). I understood this to mean that Christ represents the highest consciousness there is.

One night I had what I refer to as my night in heaven experience. During this experience I clearly understood that God, Christ and the afterlife exist. Not only did I understand that they existed, I completely understood how it was possible for them to exist without having to think about it.  It was an automatic knowing that was way beyond what my conditioned mind could create.  The level of happiness I felt in this realm was wonderful. At the end I saw a star flash. I understood this to be a sign of Christ, who's importance in the grander scheme of things was clear during this experience.

I can understand why fundamentalism turned you off. It turned me off big time too. But then I decided to keep my mind and heart open when it comes to God and Christ, and I've found in numerous experiential ways that they are significant realities.

Sort of related to this, I recently read that Robert Monroe's wife Nancy remained a devoted Christian throughout her life even though she was married to Robert.  C.S. Lewis was her favorite writer (I haven't read anything he wrote).   I communicate with spirits quite often. Some of these spirits are guidance based spirits.  Some drop by for other reasons.  A couple of nights ago,  a couple of days after reading about Nancy Monroe's commitment to Christianity, I heard a friendly voice say: "Hello from Nancy." I didn't see her, but I got a good feeling when I heard her voice.  I'm not 100% certain, but I got the feeling that she was acknowledging my faith in Christ.

Some people might say I'm going to end up in a focus level 25-26 belief system some day. My "experience" tells me differently. 


[quote author=Stjerneeksplosjon link=1183499203/0#3 date=1183502923]at a time where I had finally renounced the Christian God in my mind, as he just didn't make sense.
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Reply #8 - Jul 4th, 2007 at 2:27am
 
If Jesus and God are a big part of the afterlife, they are more than welcome to tell me, right now if they'd like.

Nice going with the translation spooky2, I guess you have some knowledge of Norwegian?
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Reply #9 - Jul 4th, 2007 at 10:55am
 
Welcome to the board Stjerneeksplosjon Cool You'll always find fascinating discussions.

I like you have had relatively few out of the ordinary experiences. I have had a deep fascination with spirituality and all things paranormal for a few years now. What has worked for me personally is to build my knowledge and understanding of afterlife matters through reading books and surfing an array of websites and discussing with learned souls on this board.

I find with an increased knowledge and learning I am more open to experiencing things and therefore I am noticing more things, like remembering dreams. I'm having 'psychic moments' in other words I am getting ever so slightly pre-cognitive, things like thinking about what someone is about to say before they've said it and with such accuracy. I could dismiss it as co-incidence but now its happening more and more often I seriously think something's really going on. I do not know why that would be happening to me??  Huh

I've just purchased Bruce's Afterlife Knowledge Guidebook and CD's and I've only started to do the exercises. Maybe I will take [i]longer to make progress than other people but I believe what they all say anyone can do it  Smiley

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Reply #10 - Jul 4th, 2007 at 11:25am
 
Thanks for replying, Never. Are you perchance a Black Sabbath fan? I ask because your nick is the name of one of their albums.
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Reply #11 - Jul 4th, 2007 at 11:42am
 
Is that so? Not a fan myself. Classic rock fan eh?

Never say die - just my motto, never give up! on the other hand its also a spiritual thing.

I believe in the saying 'There is No Death'  so Never say Die!

Glad to have you on the forum.

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Reply #12 - Jul 4th, 2007 at 4:28pm
 
I see. Well, that album is really bad anyway, so I'm not disappointed or anything. And yeah, you could call me a classic rock fan, among other things. Lately I've gone all the way back to The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Bob Dylan and The Who, though. Smiley

And I hope you're right; that there is no death.
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Reply #13 - Jul 6th, 2007 at 1:25am
 
They are some of my parents favourite bands  Cheesy

I say learn all you can on this site and on others. If you open yourself up to the conceptual side of things, you may discover a greater awareness of the spirituality within and around you.
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Reply #14 - Jul 6th, 2007 at 3:45am
 
Never say die wrote on Jul 6th, 2007 at 1:25am:
They are some of my parents favourite bands  Cheesy

I say learn all you can on this site and on others. If you open yourself up to the conceptual side of things, you may discover a greater awareness of the spirituality within and around you.


Actually, I think I'll mostly stay on this site, as it seems to lack the bs found on just about every supernatural/afterlife/unexplained whatever boards. I will definitely order the audio cd's and book when I can afford it. Smiley
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