Greetings David9,

I know what you mean! 

It's the process of what's happening that counts, David, not the image. A few months ago this site had quite an extensive discusion of that.  If you put the word Interpreter into the Search window at the top right of the page, you'll get alot of information on it from various peoples' points of view.

Here's a brief overview---
Your Interpreter provides an image so you can remember the process, after your Perceiver senses the process.  Bruce's Interpreter often supplies engineering-related images because that's Bruce's background. If you go to Focus 27 you may never 'see' what Bruce saw, but you'll perceive the same processes happening and then your Interpreter will find a way to make that process memorable for you. (This is all explained in Bruce's book "----uhoh, I forgot which one. Have to go check.)

I really do know what you mean!    For ex.:  Monroe started that 'curls' image. It doesn't suit me because it makes me think of a snackfood called cheese curls.
I think abstractly that they are innocent shapes, defenceless essences---but I don't think of that until I can almost taste the cheese! ---So we don't always want to use what someone else's Interpreter has provided. That's why Bruce's work is aimed at getting you into the Focus levels on your own.

Good that you brought it up again.  There's alot of new people here that missed the earlier discussion.

Bets

Hi David-
Just to add to what Bets and Alysia said, in doing regression work I've encountered lots of different explanations for the same thing. Just as examples:  One person mentioned a sort of vacuum cleaner that sucked him back into incarnation. Another was tricked into jumping into a pool of water that turned into a slide. Another was ushered there because, "It's that time again." And a young women said she was so entranced by the beauty of the Earth that she leaned over for a better look, fell down, and became mortal. And, of course, there are as many more stories as there are people to tell them.

The differences are superficial. The core experience is a transition to rebirth in which we are often involved by our interests and involvements, and occasionally it seems that we simply decide to return. Bruce uses his metaphors because they express the relationship of his ideas to one another. The conveyor belt suggests that there is a generic process to which we are subject, and there are events that occur along the way that redirect us away from old memories and into a new attitude, through which we are relieved of the necessity to continue to be the same  person that we used to be last time around.

We might use a different metaphor, such as being run through a hyperspatial meat grinder, in which all our bad deeds and good deeds are filtered, so that the bad parts get discarded as we are stuffed into new sausage casings, and all the old connections tend to get lost. 

Or, alternatively, passage through a complicated mesh of energy conduits into the core of a cosmic laser, in which the non-coherent parts are lost by optical interference, together with the thoughts and memories anchored to them, so that what comes out is a pure crystal of light, shaped like a newborn infant.

If I were a college freshman I might employ a beer brewing analogy. But of course that would have to start with the used beer department, and I don't think we need to go there today.

It is precisely this variety of expression that makes concrete work in this area so difficult. Something occurs, we put it in terms familiar to ourselves, and we try to understand it. The interpretation is usually somewhat distorted by the analogy. However, the fact, according to most people, seems to be that the afterlife is comfortable, nicer than everyday living experiences, and that it is more of a bother to get born than to get dead. Most children actually retain rather extensive past life memories that seem to fade with age, and with the advice of self-proclaimed wiser adults who tell them, "That isn't real. Forget it." So they do.

My suggestion is to go there and have a look for yourself. See what you discover, and how it fits together. Aside from doing good by retrievals, you'll find the answers you're looking for.

dave

dave_a_mbs wrote on Jun 30^th, 2007 at 3:19pm:

Good idea but I don't have a ready ability to do that just when I want to or to prove a THEORY.
So then if we are always reducing what we experience to a level our primitive psychs will understand??Is that it??W ell thats not good enough is it? We need to release our mind even further so that we can meet the ultimate..

I respect David for leading our conversation thread. I see him in my mind's eye, I see all of us gathered on the inner levels at night, yaking it up! David right there at the front.

David9 said (2 Davids here)  But!!!! How can we ever find a consensus reality in the higher after life dimensions if we are always confined to our "Interpreter".Do you get my drift??
If we are all up there with our cosy personal interpreters after we have left the earthbound body it would seem we will be immersed in more confusion than we experience on the Earth Plane. There is something not right or completely understood here.
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I see the catch 22, and u have to bust out of it, my opinion, we all do. we see ELS as a duality world, the concensus agreement. agreement means we all agreed it was so. one time we all agreed the world was flat. u know the rest of the story.
there is a state of mind we can get to right now; it's called nonduality focus.

for now, just understand we are not confined to our interpretors in a permanent way; they are just pathways we walk. in the nonduality state of mind, its the journey, not the destination that becomes of importance.

By TMI's worthy definition C1 is of necessity described as "limited." what we do is reach for our unlimited selves. even the Marines understand that spiritual premise and have adopted as their slogan "be all that you can be."

one of my teachers describes mind/Mind. mind with the small m is C1. Mind with the capital is Afterlife areas, or meditation states which have as a take off place C1.

One thing I leaned from TMI/Bruce, is when I started retrieving and/or exploring, I noticed I had a new word in my vocabulary I didn't quite understand.

The new word was "get their attention." what is attention I wondered?
The floaters had their attention on their point of death.
I, as retriever wanted them to notice me, I had to get their attention.
as time went along I began to understand something about "I am" consciousness individualized into points of awareness.
The floaters were aware.
but what was more interesting was that when I showed up, they became even more aware! together we became more of ourselves thru joining. they call this PUL.

but what I wanted to mention, I learned something else which got me excited.

"Your awareness follows your attention."  This learning I attribute to another teacher under great controversy right now.

then I had my own experience of being a point of awareness, instructed to focus in on something which was appearing in my mind. my dog. she had crossed over and I was retrieving her. more interesting was observing my mind, the ability to be a camera lens and do a zoom action on the dogs eyes; there in her eyes, I found my soul was in there too. we were one.
thus, your mind follows your attention, what it is you choose to focus on, on this level of reality, C1 also, because really the two worlds seem divided but its only a fragile veil between the two and we are in process of ripping the veil.

so wherever you place mind/Mind to be choosing where to place attention is to be in a nonduality state of being, the future man's consciousness, but we are like guini pigs for awhile..until we develop the "observer." this is the message I was given awhile back.
3 parts to us, they said 1) seeker 2) finder 3) observer of the other two.

the good part about living in ELS is we can choose where to focus and new worlds will open up. focus on only the negative and the mind sees only the negative; focus on something beautiful, the mind begins to see only beauty, and creates that happenstance in both worlds.
Thanks David9, as usual you guys here cause me to think and it certainly helps to write it down for me.
love, alysia

I have seen conveyor belts with ordinary looking people equally spaced, usually in a dazed state.
Sometimes it's accompanied by repeating sets of pure tones. The tones clue
me in that I wasn't in ordinary "astral" - perhaps somewhere outside of that.

My best interpretation so far of these experiences is that energy fragments/personalities are shifted around
to get to their correct destination. I guess the transfer can go both ways from Earth or to Earth?

One example is telling. I was doing some sort of retrieval of a war zone. I noticed fragments of bodies being
carted off into a staging area. Later in that experience, helpers greeted me around the area, the
conveyor belts were then empty. The helpers seemed to know me, acknowledging my previous retrieval efforts over the years.

-mike

dave_a_mbs wrote on Jun 30^th, 2007 at 3:19pm:

Good suggestion but I can't get to those levels for some reason so I talk to you guys.

Right - awareness is just awareness. When we add a "thing" it becomes contingent, "awareness of ..." If you'll forgive a rather Zen answer, in pure awareness, the Knower and the Known are one, the clapping of a single hand.

This is called nirvastarka samadhi by some. If you really and truly want to know this, you have to dedicate your life to its discovery, because it will change everything you presently cling to as real. But if you are willing to "change your mind", in the most general meaning of the term, once you dedicate everything to that awareness, a path will appear. My guess is that soul retrievals are going to be part of it because that's what people do here.

Happy trails-
dave