Greetings Newbies and all,

While trying to get organized regarding these amazing experiences, the following list developed. It's about ways we move into spiritual or afterlife contact. Mostly these experiences and explorations came this last year and a half, after I joined in with this site.

 It's not about a boring bunch of whooshing around!

Can stay in body entirely and connect through imagination
Can stay in entirely and connect through mental telepathy (words)
Can stay in entirely and connect through phasing (images, sounds, words)

Started in and aware, lifted out later by Consciousness Workers
Set intent while in, lifted etheric upward or out crown

Awoke in and aware of own vibrations, as etheric body struggled to exit
Awoke from dreamvision when invited by spiritual guide who lifted me
Awoken by vibrations and magnetic pull of OBing person nearby
Awoken by strange vibrations of a stuck soul needing retrieval nearby

Eyes closed but bright lightfield formed, felt PUL; asked Guidance
Eyes closed but irregular dim lightfield formed, felt vibes; Guidance denied OK

When out and flying/travelling, can fly as a light body, as a flowing form proportionate to body, can fly as a point, can fly as an abstraction/unknown form.

As you can see, this is just about how we sense getting into spiritual mode---the information we get while there isn't even noted here.

Please correct me and add your own experiences or methods of getting out of body or phasing into a spiritual dimension, so those folks considering this experience can see that there's not just one way to do things.

Bets

This i quite a great interesting bunch of ways of nonphysical perception/traveling Bets! Thanks for telling about this variety.

Our host here, Bruce Moen, said he doesn't teach how to have an Out Of Body Experience. This is an important point, for the following reason:
Many people yearn for an OBE. This is quite natural I think, because it's really impressive and most probably will change your view of life/reality, and I had only 3 and a half or so. But, although there are many "how to" advices accessible meanwhile in the internet, it still seems to be very difficult for most persons. Most seasonned OBEers seem to be naturals, who only have learnt to control their experiences better over time with some techniques.
Therefore, Bruces approach, as well as TMIs (if you don't mistake it as an "OBE factory" of sorts) is more promising to provide success for  more people.
My own start with this at TMIs Gateway Voyage was that I had "impressions" of something like "stories". Not really visual, but a sort of visual, with additional infos so that I understood what happened in these stories. It was like a daydream- a bit different, because this kind of stories I have had never happened in my daydreams before. When it came to the debriefing I lingered to start telling about this, as I thought it was nothing, and began with "Well, there was, or imagined there was...", but once I had begun, I told and told and told, the trainers looked at each other and smiled, and I realised it was quite a long story, and that here is happening something! So, the dam was burst, I accepted that there is probably more in this as "just imagination". And this is, if I remember right, what Bruce emphasizes, especially at first you have to pay attention to every subtle little thing until you "get" it that you are able to accept that it isn't just a kind of meaningless random imagination thing, or, as Bruce has put it (or similarly), to temporarily suspend disbelief and observing what's happening.

Back to Bets' types of exploring, the first three "Can stay..." are probably the easiest things to do for most people (easiest, but not necessarily easy for everyone, especially the beginning, because it's normally not noticed or discarded as "just phantasy" as I said).
The other ways I consider as more rare (maybe not at this board though):

Staying in, and then somehow pulled out of the body by someone is something I've heard from others too. Similar things happened to me, but it doesn't lead to an OBE, I remained aware of my body, but the other part of my mind was taken to somewhere.

Bets' "awoke..." category has happened to me, my 3 and a half or so OBEs all happened in/after a dream. In my most recent experience of this sort I knew that it would happen, as in the dream I was going in my actual bedroom (I guess a dream copy of it), then I felt a coolness at my back and I knew an OBE is about to start, which actually happened then. In my OBEs I never noticed vibrations. I had vibrations, but they didn't lead to an OBE, my muscles weren't relaxed.

Bets' "eyes closed..." type makes me remember of physical appearing bright light sensations (as if I had a flashlight spot directed on the eylids), and, a few times I had journeys which appeared as if seen with my physical eyes while eyelids closed, bad quality, but still impressing.

Quote Bets: "When out and flying/travelling, can fly as a light body, as a flowing form proportionate to body, can fly as a point, can fly as an abstraction/unknown form."
In my OBEs I had a body shaped liked my physical one, though somehow lighter and flexible, more glowing colors. In my mind-journeys (you know this thing which is more like daydreaming) I "have" not really a body in the sense that I would really feel it, but something similar; it makes a difference if I decide to have a physical body copy, or if I decide to have a roundish cloud or sphere, or if I let expand my "body" limits into eternity. Sometimes I am more "in" this chosen body, sometimes I look at this body, being a bodyless observer, only aware of my physical body.

I wrote all this because it's important I think to point out, especially for people who are new in practicing an expanded awareness, that it is quite different how people do it. However, it seems if you can do one type of this traveling ways, the probability you will experience other ways raises.

Spooky

betson wrote on Jun 24^th, 2007 at 10:55am:


we can speak of techniques and methods to connect to these areas and no doubt about it experimenting with other's suggestions definetely gave me most of my glimpses and connecting points yet studying all these explorers in books and here I noticed how individually tailored is our journeys. the oneness concept awareness helped me to study others. a nonjudgment area.

might link that to openness during meditation. Prayer might be supplecation or it might be invocation, so it can be powerful.
as far as the most growth for me personally occurred along with a desire to communicate that growth, and writing it down produced more insight, that everyone is dealing with what's wrong with life on Earth.
that its a dual world thing. either/or. yay or nay. after writing my story down, which was just scratching the surface, yet I saw everything I thought was going wrong as this little kid was actually a plan unfolding.

it turned out that, theres this poem about footsteps in the sand. you look back and there was god all the time, close by, you just didn't notice.

so we get caught up in our experiences and judge them to be something going wrong when if we just wait a bit, we can look back and see it was going right all the time.
and the journey continues and we can make it hard or easy on ourselves, but in truth the journey is already done and we're in a movie putting on a performance the way I see it, as death is not what we think it is here, its stepping into a familiar place we've been before.

Imagination or daydreams or night dreams are a good area to study. The thought that helped me a whole bunch was from Bruce's books
1) Play along
2) See it not there

the play along idea I first tried out when talking with my deceased grandmother. it was like a daydream, so glad Spooky mentioned this. being as it seemed unreal that way, I was having trouble at first. that's ok, I remembered he said to "play along" like it was real, so we call this pretending also. I relaxed and played along, lo and behold, I started to enjoy pretending. thats when it started to get real. nanny had a few others with her, I thought I felt laughter rather than heard it whenever nanny said something which i couldn't accept as real. but I'd just tell myself, well, this is crazy, but I'm going to play along some more, see what happens. had to "play along" about 4 or 5 times to keep the connection going. it's like you are going to have doubts no matter what you do in life, but if you gently nudge the doubts over you can connect. some see themselves putting the doubts in a suitcase, picking them up on the way out of the exploration. you can do that too.
Nanny, bless her heart, she gave me the evidential I needed to confer with my mother it had been a genuine contact. a black brooch was mentioned. aha, another place I needed to stop and tell myself to play along as wanted to cut it short right there. I'm not into jewelry is the reason. I find out later, dear nanny was!
she wanted to give me this brooch even though we barely had a relationship at all during the time she was alive. I was quite touched by this gesture and mother confirmed she had withheld the brooch from me. in essence the dead can nail you! haha! Mother was nailed but for a reason; nanny had become mothers spiritual guide and teacher on the other side. this is why I tell folks, family members can become helpful to us once they transition.

Seeing it not there

this is easy, we all have tunnel vision thru life anyway until we expand awareness to other's viewpoints.  In this reference however, Bruce was talking about sticky stuff, an illness, some thought system which keeps us stuck in anxiety or illness, which eventually manifests on the physical body as a portent of that thought system holding us trapped.
Seeing it not there, you can turn that thought around to "I focus on what I want to see."
then you see the solution, not the problem.

it can be a catch 22. because u can manifest a denial thought too. the way you can do this is to ignore that you have a manifestation of an illness on your body.
that would not be the right use of this concept. You never ignore your body,but you are here to experience your body and pay attention to what it tells you if it has a pain. u do what u think best to be healing it, and oftentimes to pray brings you to the right doctor that you need to see or the right cure.

the way to benefit from "seeing it not there" is before you get sick on the body. The inception of disease is in the unconscious belief systems..straighten out your thoughts and emotions, get back to love, you need never suffer illness after that. so if someone comes along and says that you are "less than" you are this or that, we take this pain into ourselves of judgment by them and we can manifest being not at ease or disease if this keeps up over time. so in our explorations we can view what we believe about ourselves and about humanity, and we can help each other by seeing not disease on another, but a vision of their perfection and perfect wholeness in the sight of god.

dead preacher is on a tangent again. I keep telling him its my life now. but I guess he set up housekeeping here. love you all! alysia

That's neat, Juditha!

I envy you that you got to see the image--- and in color! I rarely get to see much  anymore, just shadowy glimpses.  Juditha, I think and believe that so many spiritual possibilities are open to you !

Alysia, thanks for your information about attitudes that help us make our connections.  We certainly would get nowhere in our attempts to connect with the spiritual without the states of mind you describe.

Love to you both,
Bets