Miss Recovery:

After considering the various viewpoints, the understanding I have is that what happens has nothing to do with punishment. It is more of a matter of a Soul not accomplishing what it set out to do. Whatever a Soul does next, is a matter of what a Soul decides to do.

There are varying viewpoints about reincarnation.  If Souls do reincarnate, the sources of information that make the most sense state that a Soul is never forced to reincarnate. It is up to a Soul to decide how it evolves. There are many Souls that never physically incarnate.

If you research this matter you'll find contradictory viewpoints. When wondering why, it is important to understand that World of spirit has a difficult situation to deal with when it communicates with people in the physical. We have various belief systems and varying needs.  Plus the spirit World things long term, while we tend to thing short term. Therefore, answers are provided according to specific needs, with overall considerations factored in.

Whatever the case, if you're concerned about a loved one who commited suicide, have faith that things are being taken care of. The World of spirit is much more organized than the physical World, and there are spirits who look out for our welfare.

 

spooky2 wrote on Jun 14^th, 2007 at 5:19pm:

I second that and great post man..  It pretty much depends on the type of person someone is... If, they like to blame, judge, or self condemn or self loathe themselves they pretty much just struggle in the spirit world.. Man punishes himself.. The God I believe in doesn't punish people..  The struggling ends once they quit the blame game and own up to their mistake and learn to move on and forgive themselves..  There is no hell.. All individuals go to heaven. All individuals go to heaven. It's just that the degree to which they experience heaven is the degree of their conscious acceptance of their oneness with God.

peace

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My viewpoint about suicide is that as the only "being" to account to for your actions is yourself, you will deside what, if any, consequences you will need to work through for youe actions. When I consiter persons who go the suicide route as they are no longer willing to continue to put their bodies through an immense amount of pain due to cancer or MS, as an example, and choose to put this life behind them, has done no wrong and so will have no consequence.(IE personal hell as that is the only hell there is) I would also think that it would be important for the person killing themself not to purposely inflict suffering upon someone they leave behind.  Note: Although this suffering "could" be apart of the very lession needed to be learned by the person left behind and the reason for them living this lifetime. Who's to judge. It's a lession I learned not so long ago at Gateway. It was about giving and taking and sacrifice.

It was more  as part of the total life lesson Benson although as suicide has also been part of my life experience, it also relates to it, suicide that is.
The giving and taking and sacrifice was a part of a very important lession told to me by my "All". I will review my notes and post next week. The lession was so large, to me, that I would not wish to miss anything in the post. It was life changing and made "Gateway" the most fulfilling experience of my life to this point. (48 yrs) An experience I will never forget.

in the end the judgment is in the hands of the person their own self whether they did right or delayed their spiritual soul progress. its so individual, that sometimes it is ok when there is no end to suffering such as from an illness which is progressed too far.

in the case of my stepfather blowing his brains out, he had had part of his leg taken off due to cancer, as well his voice box, so that he was using a contraption to speak with. they said his cancer had come back, when the tests were wrong, yet he went ahead and killed himself. I was the last of his family to see his face as he contemplated what he would do, I read his mind, as he wouldn't speak right then, he wasn't in this world, he was looking into a corner of the room and there was so much love in his eyes it startled me to silence. I don't think we said a word to each other the whole visit. afterwards, after death, he made the rounds of loved ones. specifically he needed to ask forgiveness of my mother for some things he had done, like refuse to move out of her own house and let the bank take it back. she forgave him. nobody is punishing anybody, it's not like that over there, but we establish bonds on this side and if we kill ourselves and cause another to suffer from that, we "owe" them an explanation, simply because of the love bond, which is what lasts forever. love does not die, and neither do we.

I retrieved a suicider once, because his sister asked me to, he showed me the entire fllip he did thru the air from off his motorcycle; he said he enjoyed it. I was hard pressed to explain him to his suffering sister! unfortunately, it is often the case with relatives that they take on themselves the blame for family members going out this way. that is where the karma lies, that they are bound to be employed to somehow disengage the suffering they did bring to the living by explaining why they did it, and in this way society begins to realize there truly is no death. but we aren't there yet.  I saw him attending a "world" school to alleviate tensions in Iraq, as well he made frequent visits to his still living mother, father, and sister and would use the usual tricks to get their attention, butterflies in weird places, small signs and however he could communicate he was well on the  other side.

my husband knew he was drinking himself to death and so did I. once he got on the other side he had no guilt whatsoever. I even went obe and expected an apology which I did not get! he was glad to be on the other side, it was some work I had to do to release him, but no there was nobody but me blaming him. I got over it, but he had to come back several times to help me get over the suffering part, he had a guide with him. sometimes they really don't understand when a family member suffers that they left or they don't understand how hard it is to go on when you lose that person's physical presence in the world.
what happened once he died, he simply got himself a place, probably built it himself through his mind, then he continued life as usual. I cannot honestly say whether he was still addicted to booze but hear this happens. In another obe, two fellows, guides, popped up in this obe to encourage a new project for him and thats the last I heard, that it would cause his character to blossom out. he never worked on himself while he was here. I was very happy and excited for him. he wasn't religious, so naturally there would be no symbols of religious characters around him.

I think there are some who chicken out. this just my viewpoint. then there might be some this is their first life, and it is just too hard to adjust to harsh reality here.
Some, their higher self decides to yank them out as their on the wrong path maybe.
Others came to defeat an illness and instead the illness defeated them so they end it.
Some plan it to exit early. Then they come back and like this fellow Michael, they get their mom to write a channelled book telling what its like on the other side. theres always friendly advisors on the other side, guides, more enlightened beings circulating the areas, but theres not court system or condemnation, but a sort of delay of the holding of your graduation day from Earth.

love, alysia

I will admit that I have contemplated suicide a few times in my life before but something deep inside stopped me every time. I think it was knowing what it would do to my family as well as the inner optimism that things would eventually get better. They did and every day I am thankful I decided to press on. This is what I tell friends of mine when they tell me they are contemplating suicide. And I agree wholeheartedly with what everyone has said so far