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Ive finished with the spiritualist church (Read 8936 times)
juditha
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Re: Ive finished with the spiritualist church
Reply #15 - Jun 12th, 2007 at 6:25pm
 
Hi Baby Duck  Reading what you have written has so much in it what relates to me as well,i have sometimes considered suicide,wishing i was with my dad in the spirit world,where there is nothing but love,but like you i think of what it would do to my family and friends if i did this and i realise now that i chose this difficult path to walk,we all love you on here baby duck to read what you write and to give you our answers with love.

Hi vajra  I dont think you are lecturing or being to direct,I welcomed what you wrote,there is a lot of positives thoughts in there and has given me something to think about.

Hi Ra Being 20 and talking about the afterlife to your friends can cause a bit of uninterest from them as they are more interested in having a good time at that age,so they dont fully understand why you at there age, is into things like the afterlife,but one day they will start to ask you questions about your knowledge of spirit and they will be glad that you can give them the answers.

Hi Bets  Thanks for saying what you have,you have such a loving heart.

Hi Don Your right I did have a positive spiritual experience,after i read all the words on love on here.

Hi aylsia I agree with you,we are  incredibly bright and we both will keep interacting out there in the spirit land,till we finally get to stay there,I hope when we are all over there one day we can all get together  and have a spiritual party,with lots of celestial strawberries and cream.

Love and God bless all of you     Love Juditha
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Re: Ive finished with the spiritualist church
Reply #16 - Jun 12th, 2007 at 8:10pm
 
Hi Juditha-
If I interpret correctly, your friends and neighbors are called upon to show off their psychic skills, and you and Deanna are not, perhaps because of the prejudices of the church members. This seems to echo the words "thick and stupid", that Mom dumped on you, and they echo the words in a way that makes it seem like you are again being judged. And, no doubt, you are.

However, when anyone makes a judgement, it applies first to themselves. Recall, "Judge not that ye be not judged, for as ye judge, so shall ye be judged." So, these people are demonstrating to you what happens when people get prejudicial and uptight. This has nothing to do with your psychic abilities - which not only seem to be pretty good, but you're growing at a pretty rapid clip.

Given the fact that all these rejections actually have nothing to do with you or Deanna, but arise from the faulty judgement of the critics in the church, I suggest that you ignore it.

Our minds do not work as a single unit with the same skill levels throughout. For example, the idea that a person who is slow in figuring out a problem in math is also stupid as a musician is obviously nonsense. There are lots of good musicians who can't balance a check book, and lots of mathematicians who couldn't carry a tune in a bucket.

We have at least a half dozen individual skills, and in each skill area we may be good, or maybe not so hot. Some skills are even highly particular - for example in my math skills, I have a terrible time with calculus,  I started the course 5 times before I got the idea and could pass it, but geometry is easy for me. The social awareness of the people in your church seems to be pretty stupid, otherwise they'd be able to recognize your competency - unless they're worried that you might be better than them. Smiley  - But they have given you a good course in psychic development, which is a high level of function in that area. So it's all a mixed bag.

Since there is no way to generalize, my suggestion is also to accept that you are being drawn to your calling, and that it will occasionally be bumpy, and occasionally easy. What will make certain that you  arrive at the goal is not the praise of the public as you perform, but the goodness of your heart, your faith that God has a plan for you, and your willingness to keep on going. 

As you go past each of these trials, the problem  loses the ability to act as a stumbling block, and as you overcome it, it starts to look like a stepping stone. And that is how we handle life anyway.

Since you are evidently a good Christian, think how the early disciples were shunned, and how the early members of the church not only were not allowed to show off their skills, but were fed to the lions in the Coliseum. You are in good company! Stick with it!

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Re: Ive finished with the spiritualist church
Reply #17 - Jun 13th, 2007 at 9:56pm
 
Juditha,

I don't want you to give up on going to the spiritualist chuch if your heart truly doesn't want you to.  Maybe the others are jealous of the natural give you and Deanna have and are acting ugly.  Childish for sure.  

I second what Dave said.  I'll admit that I never passed Algebra II and had to go to summer school.  Even with a tutor that year I still failed it.  Talk about embarrassing! Roll Eyes  I am a musician and have been since I was a child.  I sing and play the piano and this gift I have been given is more important than passing some goofy Algebra.

I also agree that stepping back a little bit might be just the thing that brings out your gift even more and is confirmation that you might want to go back.  It's not fun to be in the presence of someone who makes you feel less than you are, so I can completely understand why you and Deanna want to stay away for a while.  

Follow your heart and you will end up in the right place.  Decisions, decisions....  You have a gift.  You already know this and I believe in you so keep your chin up.  By the way, I go to church at St. Peter too.  In Memphis, TN.   Cheesy

Katie  Smiley
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Reply #18 - Jun 15th, 2007 at 8:41am
 
For those that say they feel lonely and don't fit I think you are far braver than you realise. Most of my friends and family don't even know that I'm into all this and have Bruce's book and cd's. I am too afraid to even bring it up with most people.
My sister is basically a mainstream Christian and she laughed in my face when I told her about spiritualism and New Age philosophies, prophecies like 2012 etc. I told her she was 'close minded' because she didn't want to hear things which challenged her beliefs. Its fortunate that my mum is open minded and she is interested in what I have to say but noone really understands me and my 'afterlife explorations' and 'wierd' beliefs. Sometimes the only outlet I have to discuss these things is this forum!

So Juditha and Deanna I hope you find somewhere where you are happy. You have a gift and you were meant to use it.

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Reply #19 - Jun 15th, 2007 at 7:10pm
 
It's not the easiest path. My wife is a little interested, but frequently resorts to cynicism. My kids refer to me as a hippy. It does get very lonely sometimes.  Wink But on the other hand there's lots of other 'hippies' around, and at least we don't get burnt at the stake like in the old days...
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Reply #20 - Jun 17th, 2007 at 1:20pm
 
Hi Dave I have always all through my life so far have run away from the sort of thing i've had at the church and i realise now after reading what you have wrote that i must start to face things instead of walking away and thats what im going to do from now on,the centre i go to tell me lots of times that i must beleive in myself that im worth it and that i belong in this world just as much as anyone else does.Knowing my luck if i had been around in long ago times i either would have been fed to the lions or burnt at the stake,so thanks for the encouraging words you have written.

Hi Kate I have decided to keep going to the church as your right,i should follow my heart and realise the gift i have.

Hi never say die I had the same with my mom as she would never beleive anything i told her about spirit,but my dad did and i could always talk to him about it,but when dad died,mom started to ask me about spirit and she actually now is very interested in what i tell her of the spirit world.

Hi vajra  It isnt always the easiest path,i have come up against a lot of opposition sometimes when i was working in a factory and i told them what i did as a medium,i got laughed and told sometimes that i did not know about spirit and that spirit did not exist and even sometimes from family as well,but i always think that they were missing out on so much for not beleiving  that life goes on after death.

Love and God Bless       Love Juditha


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Reply #21 - Jun 17th, 2007 at 2:31pm
 
Good luck Juditha. I guess learning to pick up the vibes on who to confide in, and who not is part of the learning too. You'll probably find if you get relaxed enough that your antenna is very good indeed, just that your anxieties are blanking the feed and causing you to walk into trouble.

Self belief or ultimately self love/compassion is an issue for most of us in the West I think. We all seem to spend our whole lives guiltily or fearfully trying to live up to impossible requirements (which aren't important, or not our own truths anyway) set by others. So we can be 'successful' or something. Ha!!

It takes two to tango. Our own sensitivity and dislike of feeling we have done wrong by another means we take the blame on board, are very slow to think that maybe something else is wrong here. (hard to do that as a young child anyway, we normally  don't have what it takes)

And while there are many exceptions quite a few of us have never really had much by way of compassion expressed towards us, only an authoritarian dictat that we always do better and punishment for 'failing'. Lots of witholding of affection to encourage 'correct' behaviours too.

So we often develop a mental pattern where we try to stay out of trouble by becoming perfectionists. Which quickly runs out of control, and becomes an obsessive need to be that and a chronic sense of foreboding that we will be found out.

There's no doubt lots of variations on this, but we're not good on unconditional love in Western society. What passes for love tends to be highly disciplinarian.

It's a big issue for me. Concern about possible imperfect outcomes somehow in my mind gets converted into 'my fault. But the transition is subsconscious, and the resulting emotion is basically a feeling of chronic anxiety, or impending doom - presumably fear that some parent figure is going to clobber me over it. Leading to blood pressure and other health problems. Except there isn't any, it's just my mind following the same worn old groove.

I'm still working the issue, but I've slowly but steadily over the years got good results from spiritual healing sessions, Brandon Bay's the Journey techniques, Buddhist ngondro practices to feed love to myself and to release blame.

The TMI CD set Opening the Heart has helped me a lot, especially CD 3 Loves Power to Heal which contains assisted exercises similar to the ngondro practice and does a great job of raising vibration and eliminating depression as well.

I did quite a lot of hanging around in focus 12 and 15 asking for input and eventually got a very clear message in the form of a knowing to the effect that my issue was a blockage in the heart chakra. Which confirmed why lots of compassion related insight had been coming into my life during the previous year.

The most recent step was help from a lady in N Carolina (which I posted about) who confirmed this insight (she reads past lives) and gave me a technique similar to the ACIM forgiveness technique to bring stuff into consciousness. To always thank yourself when insight arises whether nice or nasty, and to never suppress or judge it. To just accept it for what it is.

Somehow she put it in such a way that I suddenly had clear insight into what I was doing to myself. Self compassion was no longer an abstract idea. And it's amazing how the vibe has lightened since. Hopefully it'll continue.

So don't give up. Be brave in facing stuff, but not harsh in how you judge your response to it. or unwise ins etting yourself up for pain. And get working. Don't know if you meditate, but lots of it is good as the resulting space leaves room for insight, makes the compu.lsive conditioned responses less likely....

Ian


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