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Message from ISH
Jun 8th, 2007 at 4:09pm
 
This is a message I receaved from my ISH durring the week of my Guidelines at RMR this past May. Please excuse my poor spelling. Comment if you like.

The most important thing to remember is that only through opening of the total love energy are you able to fully receave full benefit of your physical life experience.
Love everthing! Exceptence of difference and understanding of subtle changes going on in everone and everthing is important. Except these changes as effcacious and that without them you will not grow. Not all of lifes lessions are meant to be happy ones. Some will be perplexing and most difficult to understand and except. Go with the flo. Be prepared to except life with it's difficulties, without reservation. Know I will always be there to love you and to help you along the way. You will not always like the lession but you will the knowledge it brings. Enjoy yourself and show love at every opportunity you can.Love is your mission, both sending and receaving. Always except the misgivings of others as shortfalls in yourself. Except all small acts of charity or assistance without reservation as they are love expression. Return the same or more love back in return. Enjoy this life, you asked to live it with all its ups and downs. Have faith in your abilities. You know, you know. Most of all, love yourself, love me, love your lesson. we love you.
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Reply #1 - Jun 8th, 2007 at 4:25pm
 
OMG  Joe !!! Read your ISH (Inner Self-Helper) letter, and this will blow your mind!!! Mine has a very similar message about PUL. 
Dearest Carol, The best we can say to you is to let go.  We truly understand your sensitivity and concern for the physical existence you choose to live in.  We delight in your love for people and nature. We delight in the knowing that you take the time to share. We delight to look into your essence--- your heart, soul and spirit.  You are so very close to us.  We love you.
The upcoming months may bring your despair, but we are always with you.  All you need to do is take a deep breath--- go to 10 (focus 10) and remember our love to you.  We know changes are all about you, but you are also all about change.  Don't get discouraged. Your kindness to others has not gone unnoticed or unfelt. 
You have a great love for your family ---and always will.  You have a great love for Spirit-- and we love you.  You cannot solve the problems of the planet all by yourself; you are part of the solution.  Keep your mantras and prayers coming-- as they are heard.   With love ISH
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Reply #2 - Jun 8th, 2007 at 6:06pm
 
It is good to see that love was included in the messages. My spirit guidance makes a point of saying that people need to grow in love for the World to change. I figure if thought is an energy that can move around and effect people, then so is love. It seems to me that the energy of love, whatever it is, has various levels to it. It isn't just a matter of it feeling good. It has an intelligence. If we share love "energy" with others, they'll be inwardly inspired and also radiate love that comes from within, and before you know it you have a love dominoes game going on.
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Reply #3 - Jun 8th, 2007 at 9:58pm
 
Wonderful scenario.  Wink
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Reply #4 - Jun 8th, 2007 at 11:29pm
 
how did you receive your message from your ISH?
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Reply #5 - Jun 8th, 2007 at 11:54pm
 
dear Hawkeye, this is great wisdom that all can use and Carol's almost the same. I get similar messages. glad u posted. love, alysia
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Reply #6 - Jun 9th, 2007 at 11:17am
 
Greetings Hawkeye Joe and other posters,

Yes, this is very timely for me also. 
Please thank your Inner Self helper for me too.

Smiley Love, Bets
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Reply #7 - Jun 9th, 2007 at 3:38pm
 
Hawkeye:

Whatever its true origin, your message nicely expresses the essence of New Testament teaching on how to live one's life.  Particularly striking is the parallel between the Risen Jesus' promise in Matthew 28:20 and Ish's assurance, "Know I will always be there to love you and to help you along the way."  Like Jesus, Ish urges you: "...Love me."  To regularly manifest PUL one must learn how to refuel.  One needs to remain in intimate contact the Source of PUL.  This sustained contact is the most basic meaning of worship.  If you get another chance to contact Ish, ask "Him" directly if "He" is Jesus incognito.  To grasp further why this is an intriguing possiblitity, consider parallels (1) -(5) below:

(1) In Hebrew "ish" means "man."  In that sense, your source seems to be concealing his true identity.  Interestingly, Jesus' most enigmatic and common self-designation is the title "Son of Man."  In both Hebrew and Aramaic (Jesus' Hebrew dialect), this expression is simply the equivalent of "Man."  Perhaps, Christ is the true identity of "Ish."  If so, He may be masking His identity out of respect for your lack of a conscious relationship with Him.  

(2) Jesus' "Son of Man" title is inspired by the vision in Daniel 7:13-14, in which an enigmatic messianic figure is known simply as "one like a son of man."  The New Testament also designates Jesus as the Second Adam or Primal Man.

(3) In John 1:1, 14 Jesus is celebrated as "the Word" (Greek: "Logos").  This Greek term means "the rational self-expression of God" as opposed to God in His unknowability.  In atheist Howard Storm's NDE, Jesus rescues him from hellish torment.  Among Jesus' revelations to Storm is the claim that Jesus (as the Logos)  reveals Himself under many other identities to souls from non-Christian traditions and indeed from other worlds.  

(4) In NDEs, the Being of Light often reveals Himself as Jesus to Christians and occasionally (but rarely) to Muslims and Jews.  But the Being of Light generally remains incognito and allows the clinically dead patient to project a comforting identity onto "Him" that is compatible with that patient's religious background and comfort zone.

(5) I strongly suspect that "Ish" is the same being repeatedly encountered by Bob Monroe and known simply as "He."  For example, to quote Monroe,

"Where are the God and heaven that we worship?  Have I missed something?  
And yet, at times, in visiting Locale II, a a very unusual event periodically occurs.  It makes no difference where in Locale II, the event is the same.  In the midst of normal activity, whatever it may be, there is a distant Signal, almost like heraldic trumpets.  Everyone takes the Signal calmly, and with it, everyone stops speaking or whatever he may be doing.  iT IS THE SIGNAL THAT HE IS COMING THROUGH HIS KINGDOM....It is an occurrence to which all are accustomed and to comply takes absolute precedence over everything.  There are no exceptions."  

"At the Signal, each living thing lies down--my impression is on their backs, bodies arched to expose the abdomen..., with head turned to one side so that one does not see Him as He passes by.  The purpose seems to be to form a living road over which He can travel.  I have gleaned the idea that occasionally He will select someone from this living bridge, and that person is never seen or heard from again.  The purpose of the abdominal exposure is an expression of faith and complete submissiveness..."

In the several times that I have experienced this, I lay down with the others.  At the time, the thought of doing otherwise was inconceivable.  As He passes, there is a roaring musical sound and a feeling of radiant irresistible living force of ulitmate power that peaks overhead and fades in the distance..."

"After His passing, everyone gets up again and resumes their activities.  There is no comment or mention of the incident, no further thought about it.  THERE IS COMPLETE ACCEPTANCE OF THE EVENT AS AN ORDINARY PART OF THEIR LIVES...Is this God?  Or God's son?"  ("Journeys Out of the Body,"  122-23)

Striking parallels to the exalted Christ's biblical signature include: the heraldic trumpets (1 Thessalonians 4:16), "His" aura of omnipotence, "His" blinding raidiance (Acts 9:1-9), )the "Kingdom" motif, the universal reaction of reverence and submission (Philippians 2:9-11; Revelation 5:13), and "His" role in soul retrievals (1 Peter 3:18-20; 4:6).  

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Reply #8 - Jun 9th, 2007 at 4:15pm
 
Don---- we all know you love Jesus and his teachings.  However-- our ISH was contacted after a meditation at the Monroe Institute which is non-denominational.  We were told to spend a couple of hours in silence and reach within our selves to our Inner Self Helper--- our personal spirit guide and allow his/her thoughts to come through, without prejudice.  My self helpers are Hug and Nape.  When they present themselves to me, they don't always take on the spirit of Jesus or a saint. Sometimes they appear as just a plain old bloke.  Sometimes she's Mother Nature.  These are my helpers. Like the spirit Jesus, they are HIB's (Higher Intelligent Beings). I value your insight and wisdom.  Although all human beings are equal, we do not all "believe" the same.   
I read your post with great love and interest, however, I like the non-denominational approach.  It seems to include ALL.   Wink
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Reply #9 - Jun 9th, 2007 at 4:33pm
 
Identcat,

Since you are apparently familiar with my past posts, I don't really understand your comments.   I have read all 3 of Monroe's books, and so, am well aware of how Ish is typically contacted at TMI.   If you reread my post, you will recognize that it is precisely the nonsectarian nature of TMI that prompts my 5-point case for Christ POSSIBLY adopting His typical practice of communicating incognito to accomodate Himself to the comfort zone of nonbelievers.   And as I demonstrate, "Ish" is precisely the sort of circumlocution Jesus might be expected to use, given his common use of "Son of man" (the Aramaic equivalent of "Ish") as a self-reference during His earthly ministry.  Jesus spoke both Hebrew and the Hebrew dialect Aramaic and this etymology of "Ish" seems to underlie "Ish's" self-designation.  IF so, then an intended connection with Jesus seems quite plausible.

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Reply #10 - Jun 9th, 2007 at 9:11pm
 
The question is, Don, is it the message that is important, or the identity of the messenger?  If the message is more important than the earthly ego-based identity, then Identcat simply prefers to agree with the message, but not focus on the messenger.

It is the saying  "I am the Way, and the Truth, and the Life.  No one comes to the Father except through Me," (John 14:6) that is interpreted in different ways, and offends some non-Christians, who interpret it to mean that without worshipping Christ by name they are unable to know God or enter heaven.

Identcat, I believe that Don is being nondenominational in a way, by saying that JC may be appearing to non-christians in different forms with the same message.  It is intriguing to see the analogies from nonreligious people and christian scholars. 

The power of love, love of one's fellow man, one's self and God, carries the same message.  Whether this is uncovered by TMI or christian scripture - it is not a contest.  No enlightened soul will laud his religious beliefs over another, for the very act of doing so, of creating the exclusionary terms in so doing is an unloving act.

So I relish the similarities between Don's insights and TMI.  The confirmation on a larger level of cosmic love is very empowering.

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Reply #11 - Jun 9th, 2007 at 11:38pm
 
[Matthew:] "The question is, Don, is it the message that is important, or the identity of the messenger?"
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In my view, the nature (loving, powerful, presence within us, etc.), not the identity of "the messenger" is important.  I'm confident that no one loses their "salvation" simply because they have either never heard of Jesus or never felt drawn to Him.  In this respect, I like the answer of "Jesus and the angels" to atheist Howard Storm's question during his NDE:

"Question: Which is the best religion?  I was expecting them to answer with something like Methodist or Presbyterian or Catholic, or some other denomination.  They answered, `The religion that brings you closest to God."
(My Descent into Death, 73).'"  

Both Howard Storm's NDE and Swedenborg's astral explorations discover that the truth of Jesus' status and role will be revealed to unbelievers after their deaths.  But this revelation has nothing to do wtih their eternal destiny.

[Matthew:] "If the message is more important than the earthly ego-based identity, then Identcat simply prefers to agree with the message, but not focus on the messenger."
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The issue for me is whether one can potentially regularly channel PUL without regularly refueling from its Source, that is, without directing love towards that Source in the context of intimate union with it ("Him/Her").  Thus, Ish, Jesus, and God all direct us, "Love me."  In my traditon and personal experience, love for God greatly enhances love for others.  To the degree that we fail to love others as we should, this failure is often due to a cooling of our loving devotion to God.  PUL is more than some cosmic emotion or energy; it is a way of being and as such is defined by "impure" and "conditional" counterfeits manifested in flawed ways of being.  Otherwise, what do the words "pure" and "unconditional" mean in the expression "pure unconditinal love?"  I believe that our capacity for PUL is diminished by pretending to manifest it regularly without any intimate connection with its Source.  Why do so many New Agers assume that the Creator created PUL but has no desire or will that PUL also be directed towards "Him/ Her" through our awareness of our connection with "Him/Her?"  As Jesus informs Howard Storm,

"The love of God, the love of neighbor, and the love of self are inseparable parts of a whole that cannot be divided...The only authentic love in this world is achieved when there is a balance between love of God, love of neighbor, and love of self (50)."

However, Matthew's quest to view creation in terms of the unity of everything might be the functional equivalent of a loving unity or connection with "God."  Jesus'  NDE disclosure to Storm about the use of "The One" as a preferable designation for God seems quite compatible with Matthew's quest:

"The angels refer to God in many ways, but the term most often used is The One.  God is The One because because God is the source of everything.  There is NO THING other than God.  Everything came from God and everything returns to God (Storm 69)."

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Reply #12 - Jun 10th, 2007 at 10:59am
 
Greetings   Smiley,

Are you all talking about (what Christians call) 'Christ-consciousness'?
Meaning simply, that one is fully-'realized,' fully-'aware,' and operating
from an extremely 'high', God-tuned, Highest-Power consciousness
that any human is designed to develop eventually?

I can see where agnostics and people of other faiths don't like the term
'Christ-consciousness.' So they probably don't like the historical Jesus Christ
being a culturally predominant example of such consciousness.

Kurt Leland's book 'Otherwhere', I hear, has some charts showing comparisons of terminology that might help us get beyond our misunderstandings. We certinly don't need more Babel!  Smiley  I just ordered that book and hope it will help me to understand us all !  Wink

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Reply #13 - Jun 10th, 2007 at 3:04pm
 
Hi Bets & all,

Just finished Leland's Otherwhere and am still digesting it. It definatly appears to increase awarness of belief systems including the Christian one and also reinforces that it's all about LOVE, LOVING, .... The final chapter also has a nice overview of current ways to access the non-physical for information, sharing, exploring, etc.

I also just finished a book writen by a Tucson U of A psychology professor, The Chanter's Guide by Victor Shamas that introduces the reader to chanting, individual and group, as a way to access nonphysical reality.  Again the main purpose to do this is to share LOVE, LOVING,... to heal.  I was invited to go to the weekly Global Chant in our city but I continue to prefer Monroe and Bruce's method for travel.

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is it the message that is important, or the identity of the messenger? 
Ditto! 
I do not intend to "shoot the messenger" IE: Jesus.  The messages from JC also come from a Higher Intelligent Being.  I was taught that I will NEVER be worthy to see the face of God.  Yet, when I read Rosalind McKnight's book (I think in her first book "Cosmic JOurneys")  she had a vision of her "angel" who wrapped it's wings around her and brought her to a higher plane. When her/she unwrapped it's wings, "I was in the presence of God".  That made sense to me.  The great source she was before didn't represent a religious belief. But the message was there.  I also read Howard Storm's "My descent into death".  He also state: "God works in mysterious ways to build our faith." Chapter 16 page 125 . This does not just refer to a structured belief system, but also the faith we have in "life after death."

I learn a lot from you, Don. So keep on posting.  I learn a lot from everyone who shows so much love that they take the time to respond to another's comments.  Thank you all for your words of wisdom.
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