'Amazing Grace how sweet the sound'

Regarding what Betson wrote:

I've read very little of Kurt Leland. He might have some good things to say, but I'm very sceptacle.

Why?

Because he is a huge Seth fan. Tried to channel Seth for a while, didn't work out, played around with ouija boards for a while (hardly the way to make contact with divine beings), and ended up channeling a Seth like entity named Charles.

I haven't read what Charles has to say, but if he is anything like Seth, another spirit supposedly conjured up by an ouija board, forget it.

Seth has been discussed quite a bit in the past. I won't bring up the entire discussion again. I will state a few things about him and/or Jane Roberts. They denied that Jesus was crucified with a story that has enough holes in it, it seems as if the pages the story occcurs on are made out of swiss cheese.

Jane Roberts/Seth also refer to three of Jesus' most famous quotes, and interpret them so they lose all spiritual meaning.  Below is how they misinterpreted one of his quotes. Before reading it, please consider the possibility that there might be a such thing as deceptive spirits. If deceptive people can exist, then why can't deceptive spirits exist? Also remember that Jane Roberts/Seth used the gospels as the basis of their argument, so they can't be denied as a part of the argument.

On page 414 of "A nature of a personal reality" Seth states: "The very term, "Love your neighbor as yourself, " was an ironic statement, for in that society no man loved his neighbor, but distrusted him heartily. Much of Christ's humor has been lost, therefore." The book references Matthew 19:19 and Mark 12:31.

The below is from Matthew:
18 He (a disciple) saith unto him (Jesus), Which (commandments one should keep)? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultry, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shall not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother; and, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF.

If as Seth suggests Jesus was just making a joke when he said "thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself," does this mean that he was also joking when he said the other above commandments?

Or did Jesus mean the first five commandments, but decided to throw in a joke at the end even though he was answering which commandments are important?'

Or did Seth show that he has deception in mind and can't be trusted?


Below is from Mark:
28 A scribe asked: Which is the first commandment of all?
29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
30 And thou shalt love the Lord the God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
31 And the second is like, namely this: THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF. There is none other commandment greater than these.  
32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and ther is none other but he:
33 And to love him with all the heart, and with the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbor as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.
34 And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God.  

I believe it is easy to see that Seth is "completely" wrong with his intentional misinterpretation of Jesus' famous quote.




betson wrote on Jun 10^th, 2007 at 10:59am:

Hi Carol The words you received from ISH are so full of love and i think its great that you recieved a message of love like this as i also had a message the other day full of love,spirit are always beside us and watching over us with there pure unconditional love.

Love and God bless       Love Juditha

And mine to have met you Carol Ann. How fortunate we are to have these meetings. When I look back at our shaired Guidelines week and recall the people who I met there, you were the one whom was willing to share your expearences openly and without hesitation, no matter what. Your openness made it far easier for all to open up to each other and our shaired experience.

PS: Did you check out the key-chain on the TMI store site?

Identcat:

Of course there is the possibility that some people have feelings for Christ not simply because they believe something, but because of what their experience tells them. I don't believe it is fair to suggest that Robert Monroe's model doesn't have anything to do with belief, while those who speak of Christ are simply waving around a belief system. Perhaps Robert Monroe and Bruce Moen would've run into Christ, if they were open to doing so. I've had experiences that included Christ that are hard to doubt, and so have others. For me and others such experiences aren't simply a matter us experiencing according to what our preconceived ideas "caused" us to experience.

I can understand how fundamentalism turned you off when it comes to Christ. It did the exact same thing for me. Eventually, I came to the point where I decided that I didn't want to make the mistake of minimalizing what Christ's existence is about, without really knowing. I've had a number of experiences which have told me that his existence does mean someting very significant.  On one occasion early on, I woke up in the middle of the night and was shown a crucifix. This troubled me since I wasn't open to having Christ as part of my life. Next I was shown an armless, headless, legless manekin, displayed on a department store floor. It had a white fur coat with black spots on it. I clearly understood this to mean, "they killed him, they put him on display, they spotted his reputation. I then experienced myself pressing the high C note on my piano. I understood this to mean that Christ represents the highest consciousness there is.

If a person closes his or her self off to what Christ is about because of how fundamentalism has upset he or she, it might be hard for he or she to see what Christ is truly about.

I don't mean to suggest that you have to believe in Christ in order to do well spiritually. If you're open to love, you're doing wonderfully. I just want to suggest that what Christ is about shouldn't be minimalized to some sort of belief system that only the unenlightened adhere to.

identcat wrote on Jun 11^th, 2007 at 4:05pm:

My experiences with Christ : even as young child, I walked with him on a small street that lead from a town into the woods.  We were talking, as I would have spoken to my friend, and he spoke to me, likewise.  In my mind, he was like my father--- a Godly man that could very well have been married with children of his own.  He told me he was a teacher. I asked him if he could be married like my daddy, and he said yes.  He was loving and gentle.  (My father was a quiet man, reverent and respected by all.)  As I grew older, I visited this Jesus image many times.  When am acquaintance  of mine passed last year, I saw her in a retrieval jump into Jesus' arms and wrap her arms and legs around him like a small child would do. He laughed with her and she turned and gave me a thumbs up.  (My mother called me 3 hours later to tell me the lady passed on).  I do not become euphoric. When I attended the Caroline Myss' seminar, she "took" us to a room (in our soul's mind) and there I met God.  He appeared to me as a striking, muscular Norseman.  I went and sat on his lap and he cuddled me as he would a young child.  I was feeling PUL, not euphoric.  My father always said, "They all eat the same way as you. They all poop the same way you do."  I have total acceptance of  the love of Jesus and God and the spirits.  I don't believe----- I KNOW.

It shouldn't scare you.

In this day and age we have nothing to fear from brain-dead fundamentalists.

Unless your fighting in Iraq 

Hawkeye and Ra.


My hope is that somehow the level of love in this World increases to an extent, where it is hard for people to hold onto fundamentalist ideas such as a wrathful and jealous God; eternal damnation, and that women should be subservient.