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Is afterlife knowledge purposefully suppressed?
May 31st, 2007 at 10:23pm
 
I truly am beginning to *believe* that the Earth system was designed so that people while living, are prevented as best as possible from learning about the nature of the afterlife and non-physical realms. I suspect this information is suppressed to "optimize" the human learning experience and to make physical reality and the roles we play as "serious" as possible.

I will cite two examples and perhaps others can chime in on this topic. First, anybody I come into contact in life, whether it be friends, relatives, or acquaintances, when I tell them what I do while I'm asleep, are just plain incredulous. I offer all of my good evidence that this stuff is more than dreams, including validations of remote viewing and retrievals. Still, they recoil in bewilderment. If it wasn't for the fact that I am a decently successful scientist, I think many of these people would think I'm a nut case. Maybe they do, anyhow...

Recently, I offered someone to go visit them astrally to pick up some piece of information to prove I could visit them. Even if I can prove to this *one* person my prowess as a projector and the reality of what I'm talking about, I still have 6 billion people to go. Exhausting prospect to say the least...

Here's another example. The number of near-death experiences has increased dramatically over the last half decade thanks to modern medical technologies and the ability to revive people who were for all practical purposes dead. The colorful reports of these NDE'ers abound and are growing everyday. The reports are life-affirming and often there is a thread of commonality. Meanwhile, many scientists, skeptics, and even religious scholars, like some gatekeepers to the greater reality are all too quick to come up with possible alternative explanations for NDE's such as "delusions" or "temptations from the devil."  The image I get in my head is putting Saran wrap on an open can of tomato sauce.

What's going on here? Is there a Terms of Service clause that we sign before we start life, that says
a) You will forget your soul-like nature,
b) You will keep to yourself, in the off chance you do remember, and
c) If you make a fuss about this, you're going to be essentially outcasted from society?

-mike
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Reply #1 - Jun 1st, 2007 at 12:21am
 
Yes, that is my impression also, that this is definitely a rigged
game.  I have it listed as great cosmic dilemma #2.

I don't know how many times I have read NDE stories in which it was
explained that "you will not remember some of this when you
return". Or, stories of returnees wishing that they could remember
more than they did, but some of it had faded or was not available.

Or, there was one story of a person going up the tunnel and having
huge loads of information downloaded into her during her trip up,
until she protested, stop, I can't take any more of this. The
missing information that was taken away, for her Earth trip, was
being restored. This was being dumped into her on the presumption
that she was going to heaven to stay, but when she arrived, it was
decided that she was not going to stay, so some of the information
was then deleted again, for the trip back to earth.

I have heard the entity who does the deleting referred to as
"the angel of forgetfulness". But this activity is one of the
things that shows me that there is a spiritual authority present in
the afterlife, someone is in charge. Like if God actually exists and
does anything, this is one of the things he or some authority
system does: erase the memories of new arrivals. There are definitely
rules present. And someone, maybe a panel of judges, decides that a
soul must return and finish a job, an assignment.

It reminds me of doing lab work when I was taking the course in
Physics. That is not research. You are repeating what was done long
ago for the exercise of going through a scientific procedure to
get a result. It also reminds me of the contests in engineering
school to build something like a robot out of a limited list of
materials. Each competing team must use what is available in some
way to perform some task. Like, when you come to Earth, you must
use what is available here to do whatever.

I have also heard it argued that erasing memories enhances the new
life by enabling a fresh start. Like, first love can happen anew
as a thrilling experience without the memories of failed loves in
previous lives. But somehow we benefit from some of what we
learned, that comes up from the unconscious, ways of coping and
understanding from before. This is a rather intricate thing, like
what is instinctive knowing anyway? And how much previous
understanding is supposed to be available? If some is denied, how
much is permitted?

Sometimes the previous knowledge is not deleted, and you can then
get a musical genius like Mozart. Or a person who remembers a life
on another planet. I know of a case like that.

Mendel, perhaps it could be argued that you are breaking the rules
by getting access where access is denied. But I don't think it is
that strict. There have always been a few mystics who seemed to be
allowed access, and could get to secret knowledge, oracles that
people could consult. I have even wondered if this too might have
been part of the game, but it does not seem particularly organized.
Some can and some cant get to the higher levels. I know people who
do have access, like you, linn, and a list of others.

I have heard it argued that if we could remember our purpose, then
this would interfere with our carrying it out, somehow. That it was
part of the game that the person was supposed to go through a lot
of life and life exercises on the way to carrying out that purpose,
not merely do some task and then return.

This has always struck me as an imperfect process. Like, what are
the rules if any about access? And how much is permitted? What
secret information would be beneficial to the overall plan, and
what would not be beneficial? Who decides that? And what is the
overall plan anyway? It all seems very approximate, haphazard.
Like an experimental game, to try for some effect: lets see what
happens if we mix it all up together. Lets see what lessons might
come out of it.

(Incidentally great dilemma #1 is why do they preach love in
heaven, but do not practice it in the design of Earth, with all its
germs, viruses, and horrible creatures, and indifference to the
suffering of man or beast. That is for a later post.)
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Reply #2 - Jun 1st, 2007 at 1:46am
 
Alright...

I haven't read every sentence.


But... if it's a "rigged" game... who'dya think rigged it?

Who?

y'all bring up important questions that i'm gonna sleep on (right now)

your ?'s strike a meaningful chord...

I'm 1/2 asleep now...

gonna bring it all the way into deep sleep..

(I might just find a personal answer)

Your voices are important to me.

Thanks,
             Tim F.


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Reply #3 - Jun 1st, 2007 at 3:36am
 
I don't think any knowledge is meant to be suppressed (or hidden) it is only depressed feelings which suppresses  knowledge.

All it takes (to remember) is believing ... with positive feeling!

Now that sounds like a song doesn't it - Spooky could compose a number for us here!

Lots of love to all.

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Reply #4 - Jun 1st, 2007 at 8:29am
 
I still hold to my "Outward Bound" theory...that this life is like the Outward Bound courses that were so popular for a while.  A bunch of city kids get dumped in the wilderness for overnight with three matches, or have to sail a ship, or rappel down a mountain, or whatever.  They get banged up, once in a while someone manages to get themselves killed, and it scares most of them spitless.  Technically their memories aren't erased, but since they're asked to do things they have no previous knowledge of, it's similar.

People signed up for that stuff in droves - it was a "learning experience", and "maturing", etc.  I think life on earth is like that - when you can see the big picture, a soul life of thousands of years, or eternity, sixty or seventy years of misery is like a weekend getting blisters and poison ivy on an Outward Bound expedition.  The relative time that you're miserable is minimal, and you learn a lot.  People paid a fair bit of money to send their kids on those trips, knowing that they might have a rough time, because in the long run it would be good for them.  I can see even the most benevolent of beings/gods doing the same with us, knowing that the outcome would be good, and that, relatively, it's a short time.
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Reply #5 - Jun 1st, 2007 at 10:21am
 
I like the saying that we don't access to all the knowledge or we choose to forget in order to 'not spoil the movie'  Smiley

I think of the movie metaphor when I'm watching a movie and you know something is going to happen to a character whether it be positive or negative but the character doesn't know and they don't acknowledge that they are in a movie or are being watched. Of course its just acting and fictional but its an interesting way of thinking about it. Maybe the spirits that are around us, guiding us and watching us feel the same kind of situation. With their timeless perception in a realm where there's no linear time they would know what is going to happen to people based on the actions they make but most do not believe we can communicate with them or aren't even aware of the idea.

The other suppression of afterlife knowledge is the suppression of the scientific studies of paranormal phenomena and the many forms of convincing evidence i.e. Remote Viewing, Direct Voice and Materialisation Mediumship and many other forms. They aren't taken seriously by most hard nosed scientists because they contradict the current materialistic mechanistic paradigm that prevails in most areas of so called 'science'. It also makes me wonder, If I may take the liberty of asserting my beliefs on them may I ask why would they choose to not so much forget as to absolutely deny their soul nature?  Undecided

On a side note I've ordered some of Bruce's books and CD's the home study pack and I'm really looking forward to learning how to do what many of you have been doing. Despite my great interest in the afterlife subject I'm just getting towards the whole lets try to astral travel and things like that. Any advice for a newcomer?

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Reply #6 - Jun 1st, 2007 at 11:41am
 
Hi Mendel, first, its good to see you here again. I have always felt close to you, if feelings count for anything around here Smiley

I will need to read every word from everybody here but its early and while my thoughts are this fresh I'll jot them down and return later..I'm sure we all have part of the answers part of the time, but not all the answers all of the time.

I spent about 10 years or so thinking about the meaning of the holocaust. book after book, personal story after personal story I scrutinized all the while thinking I had an obsession going on that I felt uneasy about just reading the holocaust. must have read 100 books. I was searching how a whole people could march asleep into their deaths.
I put myself among them and pictured myself there. another life? if we are all one, and this body is not the totality of what I am, where I have been and what I am to become, then it's not hard to picture oneself with a group of people who were in essense sacrificial lambs on the alter of life.

what I discovered is the Jewish people were martyrs. they were sacrificing themselves, and they had to be asleep to the machine which grinded up their lives, or they would not be this sacrificial lamb. They came to show mankind is capable of being brutal, the opposite of what god is. No one would willingly march into death and so they were conned insofar as their C1 awareness, which is vastly different from higher self consciousness which holds all the answers. this may be why the bible says they were chosen ones, but in another sense we all are chosen ones, to evolve ourselves into love, into one for all, and all for one, Oneness and self responsibility.
It was a path to learn courage most of all, and a few awoke to courage and joined the resistance ranks. think you not the learning of courage is a valid life mission?
It is only in the high drama of survival that true courage can be born. Elie Weiss (spelling?) gave me some of the best answers.
As a cloud of oneness the Jewish race once more descended upon the planet after being wiped out, children thrown into the ovens alive, think you that we could ever have heaven on Earth when such a thing is allowed?
they came back as a cloud of beings, dispersed themselves back into life after having earned the right to be born again. some would remember, some would not. What Weiss said struck me hard: he said: a chant was taken up by the Jews "NEVER AGAIN!"

They had returned. they would not allow this to happen again. They demonstrated as these sacrificial lamb journey, to the whole world, to be put in the history books for all to see, what man is capable of when man has no god, but worships instead the genetics, the body, the dna, the "white race supremacy." A lie it is as big as Texas.

When Weiss said that, my obsession was over with the holocaust. my heart rested easily. he had captured the truth in two words for me. Never again. He had spoken for god. he had told me everything I needed to know.
We are not to single out the Germans as the fault. They were asleep also. They suffered to know that they slept to the truth also. the point is as One, individuals are made up of the One. We are all responsible for what we each believe, and the order to kill stems from a belief system. Each are responsible to not be taken in by a voice of authority, of charisma, of "save the world, from this or that threat."

No, there's no set up here to prevent us from doing anything. We have only to get in touch with higher thought and the value of loving each other the same way you love yourself. This was even taught by a Jewish man himself a martyr.
we've got to get back to the premise we are one with our creator, as co-creators. the simplicity of it alludes us all.

now that I got that off my chest, I'll read you guys, and thanks for this topic, a good one!
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Reply #7 - Jun 1st, 2007 at 12:13pm
 
hi back again (loaded topic!)

Mendel said: Recently, I offered someone to go visit them astrally to pick up some piece of information to prove I could visit them. Even if I can prove to this *one* person my prowess as a projector and the reality of what I'm talking about, I still have 6 billion people to go. Exhausting prospect to say the least..
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heres an image of Mike: ... relax a little, you are not doing this alone. if we all were at the same level of understanding, we'd all be a bunch of clones with no reason to help each other..
you're looking for miracles: definition of a miracle performed: Miracles are performed by those who temporarily have more for those who temporarily have less.

each time you do a retrieval, in essence, it is a miracle to their eyes to be believing.
another thought: sometimes you give your gift and it is not received.
JC said "Your faith has made you whole."
One cannot give a gift, and expect a return, or its not a gift in truth if something is expected of the other.

gotta go  read the rest of what you started up here Mike! Smiley
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  "Is afterlife knowledge purposefully suppressed?"

  No and yes. 

This is a huge question, with a potentially long, and somewhat complex answer i think.  Heck, i think one could write a small book alone just on this one question. 

  I find it helpful always to look at what some call "First Cause" causes.   And to really think about what matter and physicality means in relation to both Soul and Spirit. 

Where did it come from, and why did it manifest to begin with?  Reasoning first from the perspective of Spirit, then to Soul.

  The deeper you delve into these most fundamental questions, the more you will understand both the above question and the answer to same.    The problem is, is that there are different layers to this, of which you can answer from a Spirit perspective, a Soul perspective, and a material perspective. 

  Materially there are those who have much power and greed always for more, who would keep his fellow brothers and sisters down and ignorant.  A percentage of these have some awareness of the nonphysical, but only enough to be "knowledable" and not "wise".   They use this awareness to foster separation and chaos, to gain more material power over others.

  Same old Atlantis shite again and its on a much bigger and controled scale than most would even want to consider.  Cayce's source of info called these the Sons and Daughters of Belial.   Somewhat relating to this, i just read of a millionare couple living in posh New York New York area, who were recently arrested for keeping domestic slaves.  They forced these women to live on mats on the floor, controlled most every aspect of their lives, gave them only 100 dollars a month for their constant work, and regulary subjected them to physical (and probably other abuses) such as cigarette burns, bruises, gashes, etc.   Such are the Sons and Daughters of Belial--cruel, power and money hungry, and ego centered beyond what most folks could or would even want to imagine.

  But matter itself, by its very inherent nature and influence tends to shut down the awareness of the nonphysical, and of the importance and supreme power/inclusiveness of love.   It's not so much spiritual Elders manipulating things, though there are contracts with more aware Souls to shut down a certain amount of awareness and energy level to maximize some experiences until a certain amount of peak and consistent awareness is re-reached while in-physical. 

Yet most Souls don't need such contracts because their Soul awareness and energy levels are such that they become easily influenced by the energy of matter.   Much like in astrology, most people let themselves be controled by their "stars" rather than controlling them.   A certain amount of this has to do with innate spiritual development when a Soul incarnates.

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Reply #9 - Jun 1st, 2007 at 2:03pm
 
Hi Mendel-
Some frightened souls fail to release their attachments and remain semi-earthbound as they reincarnate. They very often have spiritual sensitivity, perhaps are aware of spirits around them, and often their past lives bleed through in the form of dreams or fears etc. 

Personally, I think that it is a blessing to not be forced to remember acutely how badly we messed up in the past. I would think that recollection of life as eg. Stalin or Hitler would be overwhelming. It would be quite sufficient to have to deal with the mind set that created their purges (and remains as samskaras) without having to actually look at all the millions of suffering souls - although that probably occurs at death anyway. Ugh!

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Reply #10 - Jun 1st, 2007 at 5:50pm
 
Well, our conscious minds are our physical bodies, and this is a dimension of conscious energy. So, naturally, everything in this dimension would be geared to earth ways - survival, territory, land, fighting, etc. It's really all the conscious mind is geared to: 'logical' things and nature. So, if our earthly minds hear about the afterlife, naturally we would be skeptical.

As for your friends, do not worry about them. They probably do not know what to believe about your experiences and astral projections, because likely they don't even know what an astral projection is. It can be extremely frustrating, I know, to tell your friends about these experiences, because they either give an entirely different explanation for what we know is true, or have never even heard about the subject. Sometimes it's best to keep these experiences to yourself. I consider the experiences such as astral projections, gifts from God anyway, just for me, not for anyone else at the time.

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Reply #11 - Jun 4th, 2007 at 2:00pm
 
Doing a take on Elite's thought here, I think of astral flyers like night flyers..the mind soars out into other areas of thought and symbol. Since it's a realm under study we're pioneer type spirits. think of the pioneers who forged a trail to California physically. There was no roads bult. It was bumpy. People dropped like flies, in their 20's and 30's.

it's just part of the game to be getting flack, or opposition to new ideas. Mike has always been the greatest night flyer, so he will probably get the greatest opposition. love, alysia
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Reply #12 - Jun 4th, 2007 at 7:28pm
 
Hey Everyone,

Thanks for all of your replies!

Alysia: Thanks for your kind words.

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Reply #13 - Jun 4th, 2007 at 8:10pm
 
sure Mike, no prob, hey, you should put another link to your website here, as it's got a lot of information that newbies might want to check out. I'm serious. love, alysia
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Reply #14 - Jun 4th, 2007 at 8:55pm
 
Alysia,

As you know I post nearly all of my experiences online.
The problem is that these stories often involve some more advanced topics (like time travel, astral dynamics, psychic experiments, retrievals using portals, playing spirit guide, and travelling to higher planes). Also the text is unedited as I try to write it down as quickly as possible before I go off to work in the morning.
My site sorely needs a better explanation of things, big and small. That's going to be
one of my projects for the next few months. Then my site will be one worth checking out.

www.mysticalexplorer.com

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