Quote Ra.:
"The thing that irks me the most is that with the growing mountain of evidence supporting the afterlife people just don't care."
Yes Ra., and the hardest is when scientists show this ignorance, and instead of accepting that consciousness isn't just the body, they come up with very silly theories about NDEs. This is a really worrying thing, when people considered as the mind-elite behave that way. They show up in every "neutral" tv report, telling always the same crap. So, you really start to think of suppression; I only wonder if the public should be brainwashed, or if those scientist are already brainwashed.

I admire science, therefore it hurts double.

Spooky

Quote Ra: "Should these people really be scientists Spooky?"

Well, at least they do not fit in my image of how a scientist should be, because they shouldn't distort science with their personal beliefs and narrowed views. So, from this, they shouldn't, but it's the same like when someone complains about democracy, it surely isn't perfect, and possibly the world is going south even when all countries are democracies, but is there something better? Of course, a true aristocracy, meaning the truely best are ruling, would be best, but who should decide who is one of the best and who is not? Same with scientists, who gets a scientific diploma/degree/title is up to the society, and it's up to the media to decide whom to invite to make a good "expert". So, we have to wait for a slow mass change of minds or hope for some magic world changes.

Spooky

Hey guys I agree with what you are saying. In a nutshell its about the materialist scientists maintaining their power base. Even if they personally think there is something to it, they are too scared to commit funding to research on a notion that their cherished personal beliefs consider 'impossible'. Purely in financial terms its extremely difficult to change the situation and therein lies the problem in itself. We live in a world that is driven by $$$ and the presiding philosophy is a materialist mechanistic worldview that denies the existence of non physical realms and the 'science' of the day hypothesises that consciousness is limited to the brain. Despite the body of evidence from many exceptional alternative scientists to the contrary, the majority of young researchers continue to grow up in this materialist tradition that is taught in all schools and universities.

I once again point to the 'Campaign for Philosophical Freedom' in the UK. A pretty clear illustration of what you're all discussing. The evidence exists but the balance of power is so clearly in favour of the materialist scientists and the life after death industry is led by the monotheistic religions.

http://www.cfpf.org.uk/

Ra. wrote on Jun 14^th, 2007 at 10:19am:


I had a similar occurance recently where I talked to my mom about astral projection which she immediately deemed as impossible but asked if I had tried prayer (My mom is Jewish.) Just today I asked my dad about how a Hemi Sync tape works and when he asked me to explain it, I told him that it is a tape that essentially plays one tone in one ear and a different tone in the other to assist in reaching different levels of consciousness. His response was that avoiding organized religion often results in people "falling for these things." Despite that statement, I don't think my dad has a religion. He never talks about it although I have seen some books on zen in his bookcase. He did tell me that meditation can work if I think only of my breathing and focus solely on that until I can think of nothing else but that the idea that I will be flying around out of my body if I meditate is pushing it too far. I have become interested in this sort of thing recently. Bruce's articles that I have read were fascinating to me.

Some people believe you 'live your own truth'. That's why I bore of hearing so called skeptics and debunkers putting forward their 'rational' explanations for things like NDE's. I myself haven't had one but they I'm sure they are profound experiences and maybe what they mean to the person is what's important rather than the mechanics of how the experience occured or proof for the afterlife.

good thread trust yourself. sometimes hard to do, but sometimes only thing u can do.

we live in a world where man's ego speaks in one ear, god speaks in the other more quietly. one side speaks of a fear thought, one side says teach only love, be only love even as I have loved you.

so what r u going to do? just make decisions as best u can until the voice for love gets louder.  I only speak about these things when spirit tells me to and what to say to whom.

I had miracles happen. if I told the wrong person they took away the good feelings I had about that. I needed someone who would believe me. spirit said only speak when I show you where, not even my daughters can grasp my experiences as well that may be, they have their own plans to work out without me loading them up what their crazy mom is doing flying the night skies. I love them the way they are, where they are, they're the ones who are the most important so I ride their boats and for this they love me back.

yet if I find no one to talk to I don't grow into all I can be. so I have to talk to guides and trust its the way its supposed to be. then slowly u meet one or two people here and there doing what u do..we make a network slowly, hands across the world, we make grid lines in the time line events with our pathways..next set of monkeys born, they already know what we're learning because we paved the way. take heart! thats why we say here, don't get yourself up in a knit, life is too short and sweet for that.